Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id EAA12061 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:01:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.132] From: "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Verbal memeticism Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:56:35 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F164c69yZ9L03Uz8FpZ0000fdae@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2001 03:56:35.0999 (UTC) FILETIME=[57FF0AF0:01C1762E] Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>From: "Philip A.E. Jonkers" <phae@uclink.berkeley.edu>
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: Verbal memeticism
>Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:25:01 -0800
>
>On Saturday 24 November 2001 08:07 pm, you wrote:
> > From: "Philip A.E. Jonkers" <phae@uclink.berkeley.edu>
> >
> > >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > >To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > >Subject: Re: Verbal memeticism
> > >Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:56:42 -0800
> > >
> > >On Friday 23 November 2001 04:37 pm, you wrote:
> > > > Hi Joe E. Dees -
> > > >
> > > > >Not only is everything verbal memetic, but everything
> > > > >technological possesses a memetic component, as well.
> > > >
> > > > Is this ubiquity not a problem?
> > >
> > >Yes, it is not a problem...
> >
> > If you're going into the fray with your mind already made up, convinced
>of
> > the conclusion, I suppose you're right then.
> >
> > Some of us aren't convinced of the veracity or utility of memetics even
>for
> > the minor stuff like hula hoops, so sweeping everything into the memetic
> > basket might result in raising some hackles.
>
>Please specify what precisely may result in rasing of hackles.
>
Sweeping *everything* into the memetic basket, especially when one still
wonders whether *anything* belongs in that basket.
>
>I don't care about the sentiments of some romantics who don't `feel'
>confortable with the fact that anything man-made is memetic or not.
>Science knows no emotion, it studies it at best.
>
So someone skeptical of memetics is "romantic"? OTOH some are in love with
the meme meme. I thought science meant being critical of ideas and holding
them at arms length. I must be wrong.
Everybody likes to talk about Popper, but do they ever follow him through or
just cling to their pet hypotheses like a security blanket.
>
>I noticed that americans write the digit 8 differently than we Dutch guys
>do.
>You start on top and then swirl down ending on top again. We start
>at the middle, trace out a counter-clockwise circle go up and trace out
>another clock-wise circle finishing at the same central point. A thing so
>simple as one written digit can be a meme.
>
Not convinced...
>
>"...It's the little differences, they have the same shit they got over
>here.
>Only there's just a little different...." Pulp-Fiction.
>
>It's precisely the subtle differences, i.e. memetic, that distinguish one
>western country from another. Memetics is useful in focusing on and
>identifying those differences.
>
>
Still not convinced.
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