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From: Kenneth Van Oost 
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk 
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Study shows brain can learn without really trying
  Hi Dace, Vincent,
  The following haunted me for a few days,
  Outside the context of
  > self-referential mentality, there can't be any self-propagating ideas. 
   
  I don 't know, but the first thought I had about this sentence was, and what
  about the  " subconsciousness " !?
  Are we pretty sure that it has a self- referentality structure !?
  Are we pretty sure that there are no self- propagating ideas in the subconscient
  levels of our minds !?
   
  Maybe I lack a decent understanding of what the subconsciousness is for,
  and what it does, but from what I do understand I conclude that there might
  be an ' invisible ' process going on, on which the consciousness builts itself
  up and therefor builts our minds.
  Why, in other words, calling itself the subconsciousness and using at the
  same time a self- referential structure !?
  There is no need, the subconsciousness " supports" the conscient mind
  which possesses as we do know a self- referential level, why the need for
  one other more !?
  IMO, the subconsciousness is out of reach, yet. Can we grasp what is
  going on there !?
   
  Regards,
   
  Kenneth
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