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From: Kenneth Van Oost <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Wade's last week's phrase of the day...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mcvjones@netscape.net>
>
> Hi Mark,
> You write,
> > But what really drives our conformity behavior, why so often when we
> recognise in ourselves irrational conformity behavior, we can't then
change
> it?
>
> << That bugs me too, though !
> But personal I would turn your question upsude down.
> What makes it for us so difficult to be an " real individual " !?
> I understand the importance of being part of a group, survival- like that
> is, but than only for those dark years of our existence.
> We have since then moved up a little bit further upon the ladder of life
> and nowadays individuality is a modern concept.
> We have the abilities the move away fom any given group but we do not.
> Why !?
>
> In a Darwinian- sense, our neural/ memetic connections are fighting just
> like all the rest for space. The Darwinian struggle/ competition for
> connections
> has been won by those ' collective/ group/ conformism ' advances.
> IMO, nowadays, those connections are loosing their grip, " use it or lose
> it ".
> And why can 't we change those habits !?
> Yes, maybe because those things were hard wired into our existence, but
> in a more memetical sense, individualistic memes were to soft to survive
due
> to facts like survival, society, religion, environment, etc... which were
> stronger. But we evolved and IMO, in our ' modern ' times individualistic
> memes has a far more greater chance to survive due to science, due to the
> collapse of society ( its degeneration), due to the collapse of
religion....
> and maybe to the memes themselves if we take their selfish behavior for
> granted.
>
> Best,
>
> Kenneth
>
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