Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id OAA08486 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-bounces@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:31:51 +0100 Message-ID: <49AB9D0C6521D84ABD017BF83CDF44C4013F5C07@xch1.ucc.ie> From: "Ryan, Angela" <ar@ucc.ie> To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Memes inside brain Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:27:17 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail4.ucc.ie id f98DRKY28690 Sender: fmb-bounces@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
This message is for me connected to a problem I have been thinking about for
some time: cultural inscription seems to have moved from oral, to written
and more recently to audio-visual forms: Irish literature was for example in
existence on moral-memory form before being written down. What has this
evolution meant, caused or been caused by, from a memetic point of view?
Yours sincerely,
Angie
ar@ucc.ie
Dr A.M.T. Ryan Agrégée de l'Université,
Department of French,
National University of Ireland, Cork,
Ireland.
telephone + 353 21 4902552
facsimile + 353 21 4903284
-----Original Message-----
From: Derek Gatherer [mailto:gatherer@biotech.ufl.org]
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 1:19 PM
Subject: Re:Memes inside brain
A publisher receives a transcript from a new author. He decides to
publish the book. In my eyes his brain selects memes.
Derek:
I don't understand how the example makes any point about memes in brains.
As in Houghton's shopping list thought experiment that I was mentioning
before,
it is unlikely that either the author or the publisher will have memorised
the transcript. I can only vaguely recall many of the papers I have
written.
(I was reading the other day that a film star - I think it was Michael
Douglas
turned on the television and saw himself in a movie of which he had,
initially
at least, no recollection.) There are of course, people like Koranic or
Talmiduc scholars who do commit large masses of text to memory, and this
must have been much more common once than now, but they are a special case.
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