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Philip:
> > You might have guessed, I'm talking about (smart,AI) computers.
> > Susan Blackmore also makes some plausible predictions in
> > her Meme-Machine. So does a new meme-vehicle create a new
> > category or does it fall under the artifact category?
Kenneth:
> It never stops to amaze me to see how this idea pops up, but I get
> your
> drift.
> IMO, I already posted some thoughts about this subject, memes will
> evolve further, further in the way that they will stop needing genes.
> That in a sense they will tranfer themselves into a freaking container
> maintained by themselves. That will be no artifact, but something
> more likely like a noösphere, but without its genetic compounds.
>
> IMO, memetic evolution does not have to rely on genes, now yes,
> but in the future no !
> Memes will dispurse themselves from their biological container and
> will live their lives in a memosphere- like environment
> A kind of new model for virtual communication will do I suppose.
> Stopped to give the idea further thought...
> You have to think about memes in a complete new perspective, as
> one said " in an Derrida- like way "_ breaking with each context, and
> a life of their own...
>
> But, are we memetically up for this !?
Hi Kenneth,
Good question. Humans and such machines will have some overlap
in wanted resources (electricity and band-width for instance).
This is a little chilling prospect and
doomsday scenarios like those from The Matrix
and Terminator I and II spring to my mind. We must put all
our efforts in trying to contain such artificial process of
evolution.
Philip.
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