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From: Scott Chase <ecphoric@hotmail.com>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> Well the why question isn't too hard.
> Aside from casuistric implications resulting from anti-Soviet policies
> whereby the U.S. played a hand in aiding the mujahideen and how this may
> have helped facilitate the emergence of some of the terrorist networks now
> seen across the globe, I think that may about exhaust the *why* unless
> someone feels like delving into the history of jihad into medieval Spain
and
> the crusades.
Hi Scott,
I saw that coming !!
You are right of course to mention that the US helped to free Kuwait and
helped Israël of getting destroyed. But what the US missed, and I ain 't
gonna say completely, that it put somebody 's back up !
The US went in, not to free Kuwait but to destroy Saddam !
That were two different things, and again, like I said in my latest post to
Lawrence, the Islamitic world did not understand this. And right they were,
because in this case they were not wrong.
But on the other hand, the Islamitic world had to understand that the
question of the Kuwait government for help from the US was legitimate.
If, the Islamitic world don 't see this as such, well 1_ they don 't really
care what happens to Kuwait and 2_ they were afraid of Saddam.
Either way, the Islamitic world did nothing to help Kuwait and thus has
no reasons to be angry with the US.
If the Islamitic world is angry with the US just due to the fact that non-
believers did trespass the Holy cities and sites well shoot me... I can 't
remerber how many churches and mosks I entered as a non- believer.
That is childish behavior and shows how very deep in their infancy, to
understand this things, they are.
Cultural blocks in order to survive need to evolve along the pyramid of
development, they need to evolve political, social, cultural, religiously
and
memetically to sort things out. Islam, so it seems did not evolve along
the same way as we did. Is that a shame, their fault !?
No, by no means, but we, the West want to proceed forwards, Islam is not up
to such a contest and that fact plays tricks on them.
That fact is explained by guys like Bin Laden, Khomeini, Saddam, etc as
certain attacks on Islam. In a way, Islam is blocking us the way to evolve
further, we want them out of the way.
Islam understands this not corectly and I agree, sometimes we can do it
more subtle...we need like I said, help Islam in their conquest to evolve,
but that must not be seen as interference.
And of course you are right to mention the crusades, the US has nothing
to do with those. Europe, and especially Christianity is to blame. 100% !!
But somehow, memetically speaking we ' forgot ' this, somehow the aid,
the help we give now to some Islamitic countries is as a compentation for
the attrocities done then. I agree, that is not the right way, even the Pope
didn 't want to give excuses for what religion did over there.
You see, it is not so simple. But remerber, the Islamitic world is not yet
forgotten the crusades. One of the reasons why they hate us so mush is
due to that fact.
Maybe it is time to leave this things behind us and start with a fresh
blade....
IMO, the ultimate WHY question can 't be asked and can 't be answered
without a full understanding of history... we need to meet eachother half-
way.....
Best regards,
Kenneth
( I am ,because we are) on whatever level you look
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