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Hi Kenneth,
Welcome back,
<Like I said, many times before, our views are clouded by what we
see,
> our views are clouded by what you and I have learned on school; what we
> have seen on TV; what we have read in books.... which all are based
> upon the same common belief that Darwin in all senses was and is right.
> And Sheldrake, Dace and others, including myself, are saying, ok he
> is ok, but not entirely right. And the contention is, and I agree is
> proof.
> But proving, convincing others would stay difficult because, if I may
> express myself in this way, you and others lack the memetic capacity
> to see things in a different light.>
>
Come on Ken, that last sentence is a bit unfair. You know as well
as any of the people who've been on this list a long time that all that is
sought here for radical new ideas is evidence. Failure to see anything
substantive in MR comes from a lack of evidence. Examples that Ted has
offered have been argued away without good come backs from Ted (I see he's
pushing the crossword puzzle thing again, despite never having answered
whether the list of things that I came up with as possible factors that
might influence differential results had been considered- some of which
would be hard to control for). He's also, I believe in your absence, been
shown to have selectively quoted and misunderstood works he's cited as part
of his case. The more he's been pushed the more specious his arguments have
become. Does that mean that natural selection is completely worked out,
that there are no more questions to answer? Of course not, but the answers
won't be found in mythological fields that are untestable and un-necessary.
Vincent
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