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Hi Chris,
You wrote,
> Sorry, I'm the culprit for introducing that into the discussion.
> How would this 100th monkey story differ from the blue tits and milk
bottle
> thingy? These notions becoming a part of the collective consciousness,
wrong > as they may be, are fair game in this forum. Frans de Waal talks
about the
> 100th monkey stuff in his book _The Ape and the Sushi Master_ (2001, Basic
> Books, New York). What is it about these ideas that is so appealing?
<< How can you be so sure that those stories are wrong !?
You have no prove that a mecanism drives the birds and the monkeys
or not !
It is still a mystery, all the reasoning is highly hypothetical.
It is IMO not a " prove" that a nearby scientific application says it has
to be wrong because its prove shows it that way, that it is wrong !! The
prove it will have is just circumstancial.
It must be proven, either way !!
And maybe further investigation into what makes those ideas so appea-
ling will turn out to be the tenet of what memetics is all about !!
Regards,
Kenneth
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