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From: Wade T.Smith <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
> Kenneth Van Oost -
> >Racism is the (a) 'true centre' of a system, its central point.
> I've always assumed tribalism was more of the center - territorialism.
> And I've come to this mostly because animals don't give too much of a
> shit about things other than their local turf, and because the outsider
> is usually an enemy. So the tribe is the important family to protect, and
> one's location in the tribe is ego territory.
> But, it is a big, innate, mix.
> Evolution and culture feeds it all as well as demanding most of the table.
Hi Wade,
Just in addition to what I wrote yesterday.
The same conceptual framework as for racism can be applied here,
likewise for tribalism and for territoralism !
If we abstract tribalism and we investigate all what is possible and all
what probably is locked up into it, we find the following possible ele-
ments:- war; religion; history; patriaism/ strong cultural, linguistic,
poli-
tical and territorial unified relationships.
Also all of the cultural- antropological ideas, thoughts and writings etc
are getting included.
All of these differs specific and therefor IMO, each occupies its own
' special ' niche.
It is like seeing a pyramid upside down, the point is the centre whereout
everything starts, the base represents what we know now about it.
The stone are the blocks of information.
Regards,
Kenneth
( I am, because we are)
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