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From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
> For new memes to thrive, they can either exploit new niches (e.g. internet
> jargon, or newer still, text messaging jargon), or they can simply be more
> adaptive than previously dominant memes. Like cats and dogs being
> introduced into Australia and New Zealand, European and American
(corporate)
> imperialism thrust new memes into different environments, and seem to
catch
> all the "flightless" memes wiping them out.
Hi Vincent,
Of course I agree with the notion that memes can either exploit or be
adaptive.
But, thinking about it, and having Chris Taylor term ' resident ' in mind,
I come up with the following.
Couldn 't there be a third way by which memes thrive !?
I mean, in a " speculative " way !?
I mean by this all what is concealed by/ in the future, hope, utopia; every-
thing what will become ' truth ', solution; everything what seems promising,
is bright of prospects, everything what can be exepted !
The meme already thrives but is not yet determinated.
And yes, already niches are occupied by it in the present but for all
already
in the future too.
And yes, adaptive forces are all already working by and on it, already
present ( and future ) memes change by the meme's not yet deter-
minated presence !?
But IMO that will be not the same like pure and simple exploitation or
simple adaptation.
Exploitation of new niches seems absolute, determinated, what in the
sense of a future/ speculative meme is not.
Adaptation is absolute and determinated too, what in the sense of a
speculative meme is not.
There seems to be a semblance, there seems to be traces of non-
absolutism, of non- determination in the context wherein we use the
term speculative memes.
Is this clear !?
Regards,
Kenneth
( I am, because we are) thinking
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