Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id UAA11134 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:53:38 +0100 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:48:15 +0100 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Guardian on Information Message-ID: <20010622204815.A685@ii01.org> References: <20010622142844.AAA24323@camailp.harvard.edu@[128.103.125.215]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <20010622142844.AAA24323@camailp.harvard.edu@[128.103.125.215]>; from wade_smith@harvard.edu on Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 10:28:33AM -0400 From: Robin Faichney <robin@ii01.org> X-RBL-Warning: (orbs.dorkslayers.com) 195.8.69.94 is listed by dorkslayers.com Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 10:28:33AM -0400, Wade T.Smith wrote:
> On 06/21/01 14:53, Robin Faichney said this-
>
> >Here's a quote from it:
>
> Here's another-
>
> >Differentiation came into the universe, creating a pattern that
> >required information.
>
> How anything, at all, ever, could 'require' information, is beyond me.
I suspect that particular writer has an imperfect understanding of the
issue. The pattern _is_ the information. Or, at least, the pattern
requires the concept of information for it to be fully understood.
> What patterns _are_ created through the elemental and primal forces of
> the big bang, by definition, can be analyzed to _provide_ information (to
> information-using entities), but the processes of this creation and even
> the patterns themselves in no way _require_ any information.
>
> Perhaps I'm lost, but this classification of information as a necessary
> and sufficient property of the universe seems specious to me.
Think "structure". Information theory in physics is the treatment of
structure as an element in itself.
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