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On 5 Apr 2001, at 18:24, Robin Faichney wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 08:33:25PM -0800, TJ Olney wrote:
> > Actually, I don't. I think it requires a larger neural structure
> > with sense organs. I don't think a brain in a bottle with no
> > external interfaces could manifest a mind. I remind you of some
> > strange things like the surface of the intestines having a neural
> > density about the same as the cranium.
> >
> > What this of course implies is that the complexity of the brain
> > alone may be insufficient. Mind requires the complexity of an outer
> > world interacting with the complexity of the body/sense organs and
> > the brain.
>
> I'd say it requires all that plus the further complexity of social
> interaction.
>
True, although social interactions take place through the same
sense organs through which we interact with the rest of the outer
world. The four categories are soma (body) sense, self-sense (a
subcategory of soma-sense in which that of which we are aware is
our very awareness, rather than its object), world-sense, and others-
sense (a subcategory of world-sense with its own peculiar
distinguishing features, such as perception/action including the
sending and receiving of communication).
> --
> Robin Faichney
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