Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id LAA28016 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:28:44 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:20:28 +0100 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Determinism Message-ID: <20010404112028.C679@reborntechnology.co.uk> References: <3AC904E5.10167.246146@localhost> <3AC9A569.258C00E9@bioinf.man.ac.uk> <20010403122328.A661@reborntechnology.co.uk> <001c01c0bc47$b61e1aa0$5eaefea9@rcn.com> <20010403214415.B699@reborntechnology.co.uk> <004d01c0bc87$83e4f140$5eaefea9@rcn.com> <20010404091412.B10999@reborntechnology.co.uk> <008e01c0bce3$3a40d7a0$5eaefea9@rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <008e01c0bce3$3a40d7a0$5eaefea9@rcn.com>; from agassi@erols.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 04:42:48AM -0400 From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 04:42:48AM -0400, Aaron Agassi wrote:
>
> > > > Uncertainty is both necessary and sufficient for freedom.
> > > >
> > > Just what is Uncertainty?
> >
> > Uncertainty is the state of not knowing. (Don't you have a dictionary,
> > Aaron?)
>
> I suspect that you actually do know what I am asking.
>
> By uncertainty, then, you mean measurement uncertainty, and not
> Indeterminacy, an entirely different (and dubvious) concept.
By uncertainty I mean uncertainty.
> >Perfect knowledge negates freedom, but perfect knowledge is
> > acheivable neither in practice nor in theory, so freedom is not negated.
> >
> > As long as people try to understand freedom as a physical phenomenon,
> > confusion will reign.
> >
>
> Free choices being subjective, then, do not contradict with objective
> determinism.
You got it!
Now all we have to do is get it clear that subjectivity is not generally
inferior (or superior) to objectivity.
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