Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id LAA14850 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:27:26 +0100 From: <joedees@bellsouth.net> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 05:29:46 -0500 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Memetic Paradigms Message-ID: <3AC6BCCA.30392.2DA723B@localhost> In-reply-to: <20010401103128.C973@reborntechnology.co.uk> References: <3AC602EF.1837.3B4204@localhost>; from joedees@bellsouth.net on Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 04:16:47PM -0600 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On 1 Apr 2001, at 10:31, Robin Faichney wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 04:16:47PM -0600, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > Obviously, a gene for brown eyes cannot manifest in the absence > of
> a head growing, but it does not matter how many legs one has > (or
> have you stared in the Buddha-nature eyes of a dog lately?). > We can
> indeed tell what the codon boundaries of particular genes > are, and
> can isolate and correlate them in the laboratory; that's > what the
> Human Genome Project has been doing for the last > decade. Have you
> kept up with ANYTHING scientific in the last 20 > years, or do you
> restrict yourself to eastern religion and empty > rhetoric?
>
> Ignoring your rhetoric, it's now clear that by "isolable atom" you
> don't mean genes can survive on their own. Despite what you might
> think, that was *not* clear previously. (And the sheer silliness of
> the idea is not good enough reason to rule it out as something you
> might say.)
>
The 'isolable' distinction between genes and memes is made in the
tenth essay of DARWINIZING CULTURE: THE STATUS OF
MEMETICS AS A SCIENCE - A Well-Disposed Social
Anthropologist's Problems With Memes, by Maurice Bloch. My
suggestion of the memes-as-species paradigm was intended to
counter his objections.
> --
> Robin Faichney
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> (CAUTION: contains philosophy, may cause heads to spin)
>
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