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On 29 Mar 2001, at 8:43, Wade T.Smith wrote:
> On 03/29/01 08:17, Vincent Campbell said this-
>
> >To me to be without dis-satisfaction is to not be human
>
> Sounds very buddhist....
>
Sonds very Kantian; Kant said that he would rather be a Socrates
unsatisfied than a satisfied pig.
>
> Suffering, according to the followers of Guatama, is, correct me if
> I'm wrong, what we do here on this orb. And nirvana is the end of
> this. Thus enlightenment, by strict buddhist doctrine, is the end of
> suffering on this orb. Of course, we're supposed to endure this
> suffering many times, reborning and reliving and relearning.
>
Actually, the various sectarian versions of enlightenment have a few
common insights, such as:
1) Nirvana is Samsara: in other words, the personal acceptance of
the wheel of birth and death and of one's place in it is its
perspectival transcendence.
2) Sunyata is Tathata; in other words, emptiness is suchness, or
to be emptied of one's cognitive preconceptions is to allow the
unfettered suchness of one's environment to flow through one,
freely and undistortedly.
Tat Tvam Asi (That Thou Art"): this is J. Krishnamurti's statement
You Are The World, meaning that the moving 'picture' of the world
one receives through one's senses and retains in one's memory
dynamically comprises one's evolving self-conception, and that the
self-pole and world-pole are isomorphic and are correlatively
constructed via experience.
>
> Anyway, is not unenlightenment (logically equivalent to suffering)
> also 'not-knowing'? And, since we've found, through many reborns and
> relearnings and relivings, that science is the best (perhaps only) way
> to _know_, is it not logical to pursue the enlightenment of science?
>
The overcoming of ignorance is both a Buddhist and a scientific
objective.
>
> Looks like a bet to me.
>
> - Wade
>
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