Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id OAA02018 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:21:07 +0100 Message-ID: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3101745D32@inchna.stir.ac.uk> From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk> To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: The Demise of a Meme Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:17:20 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
To me to be without dis-satisfaction is to not be human, and indeed is
impossible, unless one choose to ignore social reality, which to my mind is
the real goal of most meditative pratices- there's a good reason why monks,
priests and nuns of all religions spend at least part of their time away
from everyone else... so it's easier to forget that the world and it's
problems.
Enlightenment to me means trying to find effective ways of sovling those
problems, not internalising them to the point where you don't care anymore,
or can delude yourself that they don't exist (or that it's not your
problem). Enlightenment in this sense is normally an unsatisfactory
struggle throughout one's entire life as we reach realise our limitations
and inadequacies, but the struggle is what it's all about, and sometimes,
just on occasion through our collective efforts we achieve a small bit of
progress.
Vincent
> ----------
> From: Robin Faichney
> Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 11:40 am
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: The Demise of a Meme
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 06:13:33PM -0500, LJayson@aol.com wrote:
> > In a message dated 3/28/2001 11:35:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> > robin@reborntechnology.co.uk writes:
> >
> >
> > > By my understanding and experience, enlightenment can be achieved
> while
> > > under the influence of psych*a*delics, but the state wears off pretty
> > > quickly, like the drug, whereas if attained by the more traditional,
> > > long-term means, it's more likely to stay.
> > >
> >
> > In this context, what is meant by enlightenement?
>
> Total cessation of suffering.
>
> "Suffering" is the traditional translation of dukkha (Sanskrit).
> Nowadays it's very often translated as "dissatisfaction", which is less
> strong but more all-embracing.
>
> The concept of enlightenment has much wider implications than this,
> but I believe this is about the most concise expression of it.
>
> --
> Robin Faichney
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