Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id OAA14579 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:18:42 GMT Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:41:10 +0000 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Demise of a Meme Message-ID: <20010322134110.B577@reborntechnology.co.uk> References: <20010322122152.AAA13805@camailp.harvard.edu@[205.240.180.87]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <20010322122152.AAA13805@camailp.harvard.edu@[205.240.180.87]>; from wade_smith@harvard.edu on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 07:21:55AM -0500 From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 07:21:55AM -0500, Wade T.Smith wrote:
> Hi Robin Faichney -
>
> >So is my claim about how I feel scientific or not?
>
> Yes, it is.
OK, so how would you go about testing it?
> >Ethical systems are no more memetic than is science.
>
> This however, loses me. If science is an observation without judgment,
> how can the basis of judgment, ethics, be similar?
Science is certainly not an observation without judgement. It is a body
of theory supported by observation. Observation without theory doesn't
come within a million miles of being scientific. Most animals (maybe all,
depending on how you define "observation") are capable of it.
> The facts (science) need to come first, and there are no facts in ethics
> (judgments).
As I said before, don't confuse science with reality. Science is a
bunch of theories about reality, and theories -- any and all of them --
are nothing but memes.
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