Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id BAA06836 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Wed, 21 Mar 2001 01:25:29 GMT Subject: RE: The Demise of a Meme Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:21:45 -0500 x-sender: wsmith1@camail2.harvard.edu x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, Claritas Est Veritas From: "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu> To: "Memetics Discussion List" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <20010321012144.AAA27991@camailp.harvard.edu@[205.240.180.85]> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Hi Richard Brodie -
>People have died to propagate the memes of
>science.
No, they didn't die because they did science, they died because science
led them to a truth that their ethics demanded they fight for.
Science, to me, and I will and would need a terrific force to move me
from this mountain, is the way to find what is, and no meme, possibly
even no language, is required to find a working element of nature.
Once you've found truths about what is, (and I would need considerable
pushing to take me off the mountain of thinking science is the only way
to do that), you can wrap whatever memes you want around them you want.
Wrap them in colleges, and schools, and guilds, and religions, and clubs,
and jargon, if you want. But the truths remain, findable.
"Every fact is backed up by the whole universe." - Lemuel K. Washburn
And whatever wants to find one, can. I would contend that the memeless
'eureka' state, is required, and that is what science is to me- this
discovery, and I really, really, don't think discovery is possible with a
meme in the way.
- Wade
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