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On 03/16/01 05:29, Robin Faichney said this-
>The concept of memelessness is most
>certainly a meme.
Of course the _concept_ of memelessness is most certainly a meme. But
memelessness is not.
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"You are sad," the Knight said in an anxious tone: "let me sing you a
song to comfort you."
"Is it very long?" Alice asked, for she had heard a good deal of poetry
that day.
"It's long," said the Knight, "but it's very, very beautiful. Everybody
that hears me sing it--either it brings the tears into their eyes, or
else---"
"Or else what?" said Alice, for the Knight had made a sudden pause.
"Or else it doesn't, you know. The name of the song is called 'Haddocks'
Eyes.' "
"Oh, that's the name of the song, is it?" Alice said, trying to feel
interested.
"No, you don't understand," the Knight said, looking a little vexed.
"That's what the name is called. The name really is 'The Aged Aged Man.'"
"Then I ought to have said, 'That's what the song is called'?" Alice
corrected herself.
"No, you oughtn't: that's another thing. The song is called 'Ways and
Means': but that's only what it's called, you know!"
"Well, what is the song, then?" said Alice, who was by this time
completely bewildered.
"I was coming to that," the Knight said. "The song really is 'A sitting
on a Gate': and the tune's my own invention."
********
>I'll grant you artists are probably generally best at doing it, but SOME
>religions/philosophies are better at communicating how to do it.
Interesting. I, personally, have only found methods and descriptions
worth their ink in the essays and writings of artists, about their
experiences. And, semi-religiously, in the writings of Timothy Leary,
especially High Priest. But, I also draw from the experiences of nature I
had in my youths.
Enraptured mindfulness is an active state.
> what
>happens when unconscious mental processing is given the space to come
>to the surface, due to the diminution of conscious mental activity.
And this state is a memeless one. Thus, let's hear it for memelessness!
>(And communicating how to is, of course, memetic, thus the paradox.
>But it's not a problem.)
Well, communication has always been a problem.
- Wade
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