Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id KAA18514 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:30:22 GMT Message-ID: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3101745C9D@inchna.stir.ac.uk> From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk> To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Lesser genes than expected Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:29:45 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Ah but did the Hamster have the sense to drop out like several of our
esteemed contributors?
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> From: Lawrence DeBivort
> Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 10:42 pm
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: RE: Lesser genes than expected
>
>
> > Kenneth Van Oost:
> >
> > Maybe intelligence, self- awareness,...has less to do with genetics
> > but more with memetics.
> >
> >
> > LdB:
> > If intelligence is the ability to consider a great deal of
> > information, find new and useful patterns in it, and propose courses
> > of action that acheive outcomes better than those proposed by others,
> > then memes and other non-memetic beliefs do have a lot to do with
> > intelligence, beyond any impacts on intelligence that are genetically
> > based. No matter how good the genes, if an individual's beliefs are
> > poorly selected, they will not easily be able to perform in the
> > 'intelligent' manner suggested above.
> >
>
> Joe:
> On the other hand, you can send a hamster to Harvard and show it
> non-stop BBC and PBS and still have just a hamster that won't
> pass the mirror test for self-awareness. The brains we evolved are
> necessary as memetic environments.
>
> LdB:
> Agreed. We tried just that and concluded that while the hamster did not
> appear any more intelligent that before his Harvard experience, he did
> enjoy
> the freshmen dining hall immensely.
>
>
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