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From: "Chris Lofting" <ddiamond@ozemail.com.au>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: DNA Culture .... Trivia?
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> > Of Vincent Campbell
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> >
> > <...There can be no such thing as an
> > > absolutely isolated meaning.>
> > >
>
> yes there can - it is called psychosis.
>
> The behaviour of a severe psychotic shows actions with intent and responses
> with understanding but it is all 'in here'; the responses are to things 'we'
> find 'crazy' but the emotional expressions 'resonate'.
>
> Meaning is IN HERE, it is made up of patterns of emotion combined with a
> method of analysis, a method of map making. Thus 'random' sensory processes
> can give you a 'deja vu' feeling just as temporal lobe thunderstorms can
> make you see the face of 'god'.
>
> It is all happening 'in here' and that includes the minds of the physically
> impaired to a degree where they cannot explicitly express anything. In that
> context you have an isolated meaning :-)
>
> You do not learn 'basic' meanings from society, these meanings are already
> encoded, the brain is not a tabla rasa at birth, it can distinguish objects
> and relationships - what it learns is what IS an object and what IS a
> relationship.
>
Chris, you blithering idiot! An isolated meaning would be if there
were onlt one - say, there were a meaning for 'fork' unattached to
any other meanings, that is, any other symbol systems; a
language of one word! Such things are clearly impossible,
because words in a language have meanings due to the
relationships they have with things (oppositional, identical and
more-or-less similar) and the relationships they have with other
words in a symbol system which represent these other things
(Ferdinand de Saussure). You can't have a one-word language,
you can't have an isolated meaning, contextless signification is a
sheer impossibility.
> Chris.
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