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Wade wrote :
>>That's like invoking God or different
>>dimensions to foreclose further questioning; a mystical and anti-
>>intellectual response, indeed.
>
>>>It's just an approach which has been found to provide an answer to
>>>those who are insistent upon pursuit of that question, 'what is there
>>>to be deluded ?' Or what is there to be Enlightened ?
>
>>>>That's like invoking God or different
>>>>dimensions to foreclose further questioning; a mystical and anti-
>>>>intellectual response, indeed.
>
>Ad infinitum....
>
>- Wade
Hi Wade,
Made me smile. But ( and who am I to say ?) I think it misses the
point. Possibly, because a zen trainee would have gone through
a graduated set of previous philosophic/religious quests, koans,
and so would already have insights prior to confronting this particular
matter of Mu. I think those insights are sort of roughly Wittgensteinian,
limitations of language in that just because a person stops thinking they
don't cease to exist ( as body, or self, or whatever ). You know you exist
without any nescessity for intellectual cogitation. Which allows at least
the possibility for other 'knowings' than verbal, textual, thinking mode.
Then one is faced with the difficulty of framing such 'knowings'
into verbal intellectual terms which can be communicated, and,
should one feel so inclined, trying and see how they stack up against
the contemporary intellectual models used by science. This second
stage is neither mystic nor anti-intellectual, but attempting to move
the frontier of what can be articulated. Intellectually, it's a
tremendous challenge, isn't it ?
C.L.
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