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Mark,
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> Subject: Simple neural models
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> At 10:33 AM 7/22/00 +1000, you wrote:
> >You see, you miss the point totally. You are stuck at the level of
> >expression and so incapable of seeing BEHIND the I ching symbol.
> What does
> >it REPRESENT? It represents a neurologically determined general
> pattern of
> >meaning.
>
> Chris,
>
> Can you use your template system to describe neural signal
> exchange between
> two adjacent cells?
>
The template model, in the context of dynamics, of developing a behaviour, a
whole, is applicable at any level of analysis. Once you build the model so
feedback will validate it. For any sort of communication, where
communciation is your emphasis, you start with two independent objects. (you
can have self-communciation as well but even that has a bifurcation in it).
These objects, over time, can become dependent on each other just by chance,
they work in the same 'area' and the dynamics of the area will force a drive
to retain stability and so behavioural choices become limited such that you
get to a point where 'you do this and I will do that'. This is the BIND
phase in that both objects remain as is other than structuring their
dynamics with the outcome that both benefit. This is like a contract where
it is dissolvable but as long as it lasts there is some 'give' over 'take';
a dance emerges that acts to maintain stability enough for something more to
develop if possible. Feynman got into this with his comment that let
everything do their own thing and reality is the interference patterns.
If over time this relationship is highly beneficial (or just the only one
possible!) then the two objects can start to be seen *structurally* as if
'one' but they still retain individuality. This is the BOUND phase where the
emergent behaviour of the whole system, the whole interaction of A and B,
shows a strong dependency of each object upon the other but there is still a
distinct boundary between A and B. You can remove A or B and although there
will be a loss, recovery is still easy. The bound element favours sympathy;
there is a degree of feedback that is a 'difference that makes a
difference'.
To establish rapport you need more than this, you need emphathy, context
awareness such that A and B become entangled to a degree where you can still
identify A and B but no longer seperate them; it is getting to the point
where they almost occupy the same space; at some base level they do. This
allows for a more 'instant' response to situations as a team; the empathy
means A and B 'know' each other, they have established an invarient
relationship. This is the BOND phase where there is a definite shift from a
more reactive bias to a more proactive bias; this process requires some sort
of knowledge, a map, of the context and so the ability to pre-empt
contextual behaviours.
The final step is that of intergration, assimilation, where A and B become
'one'. This is a BLEND where a 'new' expression occurs; A and B now become
C. This does not mean that A and B necessarily dissapear but more that
expression is now in C. This expression is for humans in the form of a
habit; a response to a stimulus -- no thought. The aim of meme is to do
this, as is the aim of a gene. In your gut/muscle example they can react as
if 'one'.
You can take this further in that once this expression occurs, a 'new'
object has emerged, the next stage in development is in the form of the
object's interaction with its context in that the object asserts itself.
Singlemindedness in expanding 'outwards'. The price of course is energy in
that you need a lot to do this and over time this will lessen, however the
energy put out into the context is useful to other objects. As this process
goes on so the intense energy of the object is transferred into the space
in-between the objects, relational space and there it interacts with other
forces, other objects, and we are back with contractive BINDING again. In a
closed system this will lead to an ever increasing number of network
connections such that over time the focus changes from objects to the space
in-between them; context determines all and we find this in memes where the
meme comes from the context, not from the gene which is 'inside'.
At this level of development it is the space in-between objects that
identifies them; it is the space in-between that validates their existence.
The above somewhat 'general' perspective is applicable at all levels of
analysis where interactions of others lead to a behaviour as if one -- as we
find in neuron synchronisations in networks such that the network fires as
if 'one' or as we find being attempted at the now failed Camp David talks;
they 'failed' at the BOUND level, could not get to BOND since to do so
requires such concepts as superpositions etc.
In the recent discussions of Darwin/Lamarck so their perspectives started in
'different' positions along the BBBB development path. Darwin at the
beginning and Lamarck half way through.
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