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From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: Was Freud a Minivan or S.U.V. Kind of Guy? Israel and Palesti
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> Just one more comment, and then I'll let it lie.
>
> I'm not a neuro-scientist, so I can't really comment on that aspect of your
> claims, but I'd be incredibly surprised to find that neuroscience in any way
> supports the notion that if we switch one I-ching symbol for another we can
> explain or solve problems in the Middle-East.
>
> If it were that simple, then why not offer your services to the Camp David
> negotiations? They certainly seem to need some help, and I'm sure they'd
> appreciate it.
>
> If you feel that this system explains life the universe and everything for
> you, then fine, I wish you well.
>
> Vincent
>
> (By the way, just a small bit of advice regarding your presentation of
> arguments- putting words in capital letters doesn't make them more
> persuasive).
>
I vote that we make Chris the object of a memetic study; he is
obviously tightly esconced in the iron grip of a self-created
memeplex, and we may discover how to personally avoid the same
sad fate. I suggest analyzing his system to find the psychological
hooks and how and where they embedded themselves in his self-
concept so we may understand how he was persuaded to make
such a strong emotional investment in them.
>
> > ----------
> > From: Chris Lofting
> > Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 8:04 pm
> > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > Subject: RE: Was Freud a Minivan or S.U.V. Kind of Guy? Israel and
> > Palestine.
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> > > Of Vincent Campbell
> > > Sent: Friday, 21 July 2000 12:49
> > > To: 'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'
> > > Subject: RE: Was Freud a Minivan or S.U.V. Kind of Guy? Israel and
> > > Palestine.
> > >
> > >
> > > These are not fundamental categorisations, these are your idiolectic
> > > categorisations, and merely supports the main point of my last post.
> > >
> >
> > the distinctions of what/where, and the entanglement of these elements
> > into
> > more complex forms, is built-in to the neurology and that dictates the
> > structure of all meaning that is possible 'in here'. Read the references I
> > gave.
> >
> > The distinctions of what/where (as used in neuroscience texts) are
> > synonymous with those of object/relationship and when these are flesh-out,
> > by using recursion, into wholes, parts, static relationships and dynamic
> > relationships you can map these distinctions to a set of basic feelings
> > Blend (whole), Bound (parts), Bond (Static relationships) and Bind
> > (dynamics).
> >
> > All of that comes straight out of analysis of the neurology and these
> > FUNDAMENTAL, NEUROLOGICALLY determined, categorisations were there well
> > before I was.
> >
> > You dont like it do you. :-) What is it? the sense of containment implied,
> > the restraint? wouldnt worry about it, there is so much to experience that
> > you could do without it, ignore it. Get on with what ever you are trying
> > to
> > do, let it pass. :-)
> >
> > Just note that I do use the method in analysis and it does seem to aid in
> > my
> > fleshing-out of ideas, concepts etc so if you find it difficult to read my
> > emails then just ignore them, set up your browser to filter them out.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Chris.
> > ------------------
> > Chris Lofting
> > websites:
> > http://www.eisa.net.au/~lofting
> > http://www.ozemail.com.au/~ddiamond
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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