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From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 5:53 PM
Subject: RE: Memes and sexuality
> Just to interject here,
>
> You don't have to go that far back in history to get to a time when
marital
> rape wasn't illegal, and as such wasn't constituted as 'rape' at all.
Given
> things like that, it's no wonder that the incidence of sex crime appears
to
> be on the increase.
<< Given other things, in Italia a judge ruled that offering no resistance
against the advances of a man is a ground to let the man free on charges
of rape.
Also, judges ruled that there was no way that a girl could be raped wearing
a jeans, because of the impossibility that the man could have undressed her
without her help. >>
> IMHO, the important point relates to the discussion about taboos that
> Kenneth and I have been engaged in. What is clearly different in
> contemporary society is the notion that sex, including sexual abuse
(whether
> rape or incest), as a subject to be discussed in public has gone from
being
> an almost absolute taboo, to something more evidently accepted. With that
> acceptance has come a big explosion of reports of sexual abuse on women
and
> children-
<<note, however, the situation of woman and children are improved over
the years, they have rights and a voice now !! We are bound to listen !!
We can 't put them off with fair words... >>
>
> The strategies for trying to pretend such things don't happen can have
long
> terms consequences of course. Am I right in saying, for example, that one
> intepretation of Freud's concept of the Oedipus complex is that it stemmed
> (at least in part) from his inability to accept the possibility of
> widespread sexual abuse of children by polite Viennese society as reported
> by his female patients?
<< In the famous X1 witness cases, in Belgium, there was talk about a
widespread network of childabuse /-rape and -murder by high ranked
politicians, buisnessmen etc. The investigators never found any clue about
such network, but in all the us surrounding countries police found one or
more. It was like the networks stopped at the Belgium border.
IMHO, a clear case of what I call ' an emotional barrier ', we could not
believe, and people do believe still, that above the Dutroux case there
were networks where children were raped, sexually abused and murdered.
Dutroux was worse, even one thing more worse would have meant the
end of the country. In some way we areased the possibility that such
networks could exist out of our collective memory.
Vervloesem, a fellow who investigated such possibility in his own free
time, was brought into discredit, after a while he was accused of having
sex with under age boys and having put the pictures on Internet... >>
Regards,
Kenneth
(I am, because we are)
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