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> From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> Of Vincent Campbell
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> difference part 1
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> (6) I don't agree with this at all.
>
OK..In what way, specifically :-) Do you reject the implicit detection of
body language? Do you reject the opposition-bias behaviours that can emerge
after the CC is cut? Or perhaps you reject the unconscious? Or more so you
reject the structuring of the unconscious?
> > (6) My emphasis is that at all levels, when communicating with someone
> > else,
> > there is consensus-derived communications and so SAME to SAME.
> This means
> > that all communciations have within them particular formations that are
> > encoded such that decoding is at a particular level and the data is not
> > necessarily 'meaningful' beyond/outside that level. This means that the
> > expressions of the individual, although DIFFERENT at the surface level,
> > the
> > level of expression, have encoded in them data that is only
> interpretable
> > at
> > the other levels and the full set of interpretations determines the
> > overall
> > meaning. Thus sensitivity to body language helps to validate the spoken
> > word
> > etc., we are sensitive to incongruent communications even if we only
> > 'feel'
> > unsure, the expression etc seemed 'right' but there is something 'wrong'
> > which we cannot consciously put our finger on. This demonstrates how at
> > the
> > same time these levels can operate almost independently of the others;
> > they
> > are to some degree at least self-contained; autonomous. (As we
> find in the
> > behaviours of the left and right hemispheres of the brain when
> we cut the
> > communications channel between them, the corpus callosum, or put one
> > hemisphere to 'sleep').
> >
>
>
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