Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id KAA19765 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:41:14 +0100 Message-ID: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D31017458FD@inchna.stir.ac.uk> From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk> To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Cons and Facades - Welcome to My Nightmare Part 2.Bb Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:39:11 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Thanks for this.
You've sprung me on Wittgenstein here, as this is a general sense of what I
thought one of Wittgenstein's views was, and not something I can cite page
refs for. The bit I'm thinking of is the notion that a 'cat' is not a 'cat'
because the word contains some essence of the object it is describing, but
only because 'cat' means 'not a dog', 'not a cow' etc. etc. I don't know if
that comes in the Tractatus or Philosophical Investigations, or whether it
was how a lecturer explained it to me once!
Vincent
[P.S. how was the genome news media coverage in Oz?]
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> From: John Wilkins
> Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2000 1:56 am
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: RE: Cons and Facades - Welcome to My Nightmare Part 2.Bb
>
> On Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:55:27 +0100 v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk (Vincent
> Campbell) wrote:
>
> >I won't pretend to have understood most of your recent postings, but
> >here
> >goes with a few comments.
> >
> >First, there's a lot of Jung in what you say, but isn't Jung about as
> >credible as Freud when it comes to social analysis? After all his
> >notion of
> >archetypes stems from his belief in a collective unconscious- what's
> >your
> >position on that?
>
> Just to interpose, and without any references I can cite, but I think
> Jung's account of the collective unconsciousness owes something to the
> neo-Lamarckian and recapitulatory view of evolution; that we
> biologically inherit trace records of the past phylogenetic experience
> of our species. A similar notion underpinned Piaget's account of child
> development. I'm sure there is or will have been a scholarly treatise in
> this influence of non-Darwinian evolutionary theory on psychology.
> Anyone with a good ref will be my friend :-)
> >
> >Second, the A/~A distinction sound remarkably like Wittgenstein's
> >approach
> >to logic and the formulation of knowledge, the distinction he makes is
> >P/~P.
> >Where do you stand on Wittgenstein's notion that meaning of words rest
> >only
> >in negation?
>
> Where does he say this? In the Tractatus or in his later philosophy (eg,
> Remarks on the Foundation of Mathematics)? In the Investigations, he
> treats meaning as the following of a rule, more or less.
>
> <snip rest, to say>
> I find Chris Lofting's account of the difference between Lamarckian
> views of evolution and Darwinian views totally opaque. The two
> theoretical views are not a matter of semantic or dichotomous
> definition; they are two quite different models of how biology occurs,
> and they are not in the sort of opposition that textbooks often suggest.
> It is possible to be a Lamarckian Darwinian, if the relevant definitions
> are clear enough (for example, Darwin accepted both the inheritance of
> acquired characters and the effects of use and disuse on the propensity
> of a trait to be inherited).
>
> --
>
> John Wilkins, Head, Graphic Production
> The Walter and Eliza Hall Institute of Medical Research
> Melbourne, Australia
> <mailto:wilkins@WEHI.EDU.AU>
> <http://www.users.bigpond.com/thewilkins/darwiniana.html>
> Homo homini aut deus aut lupus - Erasmus of Rotterdam
>
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