RE: Cons and Facades - more on truth

From: Aaron Lynch (aaron@mcs.net)
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    At 01:30 AM 6/21/00 +1000, Chris Lofting wrote:
    >Have a look at ANY modern NLP text, especially those that train you to
    >create light trance states. There has been an ongoing discussion on one
    >paper on the net re using NLP to 'score' with women, see alt.psychology.nlp
    >newsgroup, should still be around.

    Chris,

    I think it is appropriate to tell Wade whether this recommendation is based
    on fully reading a specific NLP text. If so, then you should tell Wade
    exactly which text you are recommending. If there is a list of specific
    texts that you have fully read and recommend, then of course provide Wade
    with that list. Author, title, publisher, date. This way, Wade can evaluate
    the specific claims that you are endorsing. Likewise for the paper in
    question: in order for Wade to evaluate the specific claims about using NLP
    to "score" with women, he needs to know exactly what paper is being
    recommended--its author, title, place of publication, and date. If the
    specific publications are not known, then the specific claims cannot be
    know. If the specific claims are not known, then the empirical or
    theoretical basis for those claims is not known. With so many unknowns, it
    becomes impossible to subject the claims to examination by the scientific
    method. Without knowing which works you have personally read, it is also
    not possible for Wade to know if you even had the possibility of
    scrutinizing the methods by which the conclusions about trance states and
    seduction were reached, or attempting to replicate any empirical studies
    involved.

    --Aaron Lynch

    At 12:04 PM 6/20/00 -0400, Wade T.Smith wrote:
    >On 06/20/00 11:30, Chris Lofting said this-
    >
    > >Have a look at ANY modern NLP text
    >
    >Well, therein is my problem, you see. Because I also look at places like
    >this - http://skepdic.com/neurolin.html and I'm not ready to get past the
    >type of bullshit I presently perceive NLP to be.
    >
    >So, yeah, I really _do_ want a smoking gun, and so far, anecdotes and
    >papers by self-interested (hence my "specious claim of ego-biased
    >influence-peddling") practitioners ain't offered me one.
    >
    >- Wade

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