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> Of Joe E. Dees
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> Subject: RE: Cons and Facades - more on truth
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> Truths are inductively reached, probable and statistical, and
> therefore provisional, and may be corroborated but never absolutely
> confirmed, although they may asymptotically approach such
> certainty to .999+, for the possibility in principle must be retained
> that future data may indeed contradict them, rendering them false
> or forcing a modification (science works this way).
really, so some days you exist and other days you dont? :-) I dont think
there is any probability involved when dealing with self. Probability only
emerges when you move into group analysis, harmonics analysis of a whole etc
Furthermore the feeling of truth is an absolute, EITHER/OR state, when you
REFLECT on this you move into BOTH/AND states and secondary processes that
include increased consideration of negation. Here you move into playing with
the true/false dichotomy that includes the mixing of the elements of that
dichotomy such that there is an increase in concepts that 'round the edges'
of the original EITHER/OR distinctions and you enter relativist thinking
areas (secondary thinking) and the world of statistical interpretations;
fourier transforms rather than square waves.
There IS a sense of 'truth', a feeling 'rightness', 'correctness' that we
all have and that feeling is very EITHER/OR, absolute, even if it can be
wrong.
Or truths are
> deductively reached and in the final analysis tautological, being the
> entailed consequences of assumed axioms in some logical or
> mathematical abstract ideal conceptual microworld. The difference
> between truth and belief is the presence or absence of evidence; if
> there is evidence for X, then X is (provisionally) a truth; if
> there is not,
> then X is a belief.
you left out abduction. Induction moves from particulars to a general and
results in hypothesis formation. Initially there is no hypothesis and so no
causal process; induction leads or the creation of a model of a causal
process.
Deduction works from a general (hypothesis) to a particular.
Abduction works from a particular to validate a general; the direction is
like induction but there is a causal principle behind things. Adduction
comes from secondary thinking where there is the assumption of meaning, thus
I discover a particular pattern that I assume is 'meaningful'. To establish
the meaning I flip through contexts until I find a fit. The other form is
where I come across a particular pattern that immediately brings a
context/hypothesis/principle to mind, thus abduction has within it two
formats, known and unknown.
Note that the context flipping can lead to innovations ( a novel pattern
emerges) as well as illusions/delusions.
The linking of a local distinction to a general elicits a feeling of
'correctness', a sense of absolute. Analysis, secondary thinking, leads to
the emergence of relativist concepts of truth but there is a FEELING that is
tracable back to reptilian/fish behaviour manifest in the mapping of
territory and the 'mine/not mine' dichotomy that is absolute. Compensatory
behaviours emerge where there is doubt and you move into relativist areas
where you have to include the perspectives of others (other fish, lizards,
or humans).
Best,
Chris.
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