From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Tue 17 Jun 2003 - 00:22:37 GMT
> [Jake1] I really don't know how this topic has anything worthwhile to
> add to the subject of memetics. I again suggest either ending this and
> related threads or stopping both Joe Dees and Ted Dace from posting to
> the memetics list. From reading responses on here, I am obviously not
> alone in this point of view. Yes, someone has mentioned to me that I
> can simply delete posts from them and not read, but reality simply
> doesn't work this way. You let people like Joe Dees and Ted Dace act
> like mindless propaganda spewing jerks and then others join in, or
> eventually others take it as their cue to mindlessly spew their own
> mindless propaganda. Eventually you don't have a worthwhile forum
> anymore. Already many people in the real world as well as academia,
> think that memetics is some sort of fantasy or science fiction joke.
> This kind of crap only confirms it. They can now sign up to memetics
> mailing list and have to delete dozens many political propaganda rants
> dripping with ad hominem that they could have probably found by any
> group amateur flamers anywhere on the Internet of similar subject and
> definitely of similar caliber. It doesn't take long for a person to
> assign this stupidity to the forum in general and simply walk
> away/cancel their subscription/ or otherwise never read it again. This
> forum used to be worth reading. I am beginning to have my doubts
> anymore.
>
> Love,
>
> -Jake
>
> (Joe lamely attempts to justify his spewings on the basis of "the sky
> is falling.")
>
>
> [Joe] Actually, the study of the hooksand filters emplotedvirulent
> Wahhabist memeset, which has given rise to the Al Quaedan ideology,
> the Deobandi extremism of the Taliban and the Pakistani and Kashmir
> fundamentalists, the Chechen terror bombers, and the Palestinian
> death-cult, is not only well within the theoretical purview of a
> memetics list
>
> [Jake2] your description alone confirms that you cannot think calmly
> or reasonably about this subject, much less apply memetic concepts in
> a coherent fashion on this topic. If everything is such an emergency,
> then perhaps you should go to some other forum to try and sell your
> "crisis". If you are waiting for the science of memetics to come of
> age to help you on this emergency, then you are obviously wasting your
> time needlessly.
>
I'll bet the inhabitants of the Twin Towers felt comfy and nonthreatened
too; the first step towards countering such a memset is understanding it.
>
> [Joe wails on . . . ], but, as such a perusal might lead to ideas on
> how to counter the most dire threat extant to global civil and human
> rights, participatory democracy, gender egalitarianism, religious
> pluralism, free-thinking scientific investigation, and the
> perpetuation and advancement of contemporary modernity in general, it
> is an extremely practical, and one might even say
> world-enlightenment-ideal/value-survival-essential, endeavor as well.
> If such a virulent and medievalistically oppressive worldview does
> indeed gain worldwide ascendancy, we can all kiss memetic (and any
> other kind of non-Muslim) study a fond good-bye.
>
> [Jake] You exaggerate egregiously. I assure you that there exist many
> other cultural topics, and many other cultural phenomenon, both past
> and present, other than your favorite pissing contest topic, with
> which we can attempt to apply memetics. Either you simply choose to
> ignore them, or you lack the education to know about them. If you have
> any doubts, or are simply lost in your hateful/angry ignorance/myopia,
> then I sugest checking in the anthropology section of your library or
> local community college. Perhaps altering your focus on something else
> other this may indeed mean kissing YOUR favorite obsessions goodbye.
> It may even mean that you stop paying so much attention to your daily
> dosage of CNN. But I doubt that memetics will suffer from the lack of
> your (And Dace's) screaming and regurgitation.
>
Actually, burgeoning Borgian Wahhabism is the single greatest
memetically-based threat to modern free society. If you can think of
another one, please enlighten the list; otherwise admit it.
>
> [Jake2] In any case I haven't seen ANYTHING on this topic here that I
> haven't already seen handled in at least a more educated if otherwise
> similarly unbalanced manner elsewhere. Obviously if the world is
> waiting for memetics to develop a useful theory about this topic, then
> this forum is a sad failure in this regard. One might blame yours and
> Ted's incapacity to communicate coherently on the topic, or one might
> blame the field of memetics for being so ineffectual on this topic.
> Either way, I personally vote for ending this stupidity.
>
I have submitted quite a few memetically-influenced studies of this
topic, including Lee Harris' excellent Al Quaeda's Fantasy Ideology.
Ostriching the issue is less than helpful, even if it is endemic of your
persona.
>
> [Jake2] Let's either get rid of the topic or get rid of the
> participants who choose to waste other people's computer resources and
> to disrupt forums that they do not own, as if they had a complete
> right to do so. Or better yet, how about both solutions, since the
> problem children involved are obviously repeat offenders anyway. I
> mean how many times do the problem children get to shit on the table
> and piss in the soup before we finally say they aren't welcome
> anymore.
>
Yeah, like YOU'VE done jack shit here besides piss, moan and
complain. I've submitted mucho original work to this forum; where's
yours, huh? It simply doesn't exist. Methinks you're just trying to count
coup on some sort of silverback gorilla power play.
>
> Love,
>
> -Jake
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