Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id WAA22807 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:27:06 +0100 Message-ID: <B6E47FBD3879D31192AD009027AC929C36892A@NWTH-EXCHANGE> From: Bruce Jones <BruceJ@nwths.com> To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Cons and Facades Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:33:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Lynch [SMTP:aaron@mcs.net]
> Subject: RE: Cons and Facades
> None on this list has
> indicated a propensity to being led ANYWHERE. Second none on this
> list has
> been able to manipulate any other person on this list. Third since
> we on
> this list seem to be the only ones interested in memetics the only
> thing we
> have is an understanding of a lack of cohesive knowledge about the
> subject.
[BJ]
OK I will agree to being the new guy on the block so let me
add..."In my experience on the list."
> The only facade then is the person or persons that intimate a vast
> knowledge
> and/or understanding of the subject. <snip>
>
> You have to be careful about making such a statement. The apparent reason
> Vincent Campbell brought up Einstein was because Einstein was generally
> recognized as really having great knowledge and/or understanding of the
> subjects he covered. We also recognize that Einstein held such vast
> knowledge and understanding of relativity even before most of his
> colleagues acquired similar knowledge and understanding. Einstein did more
> than merely intimate that he held such knowledge, too: he definitely let
> the world know about it. But it was not a facade: it was the real product
> of talent and hard work. This does not, however, mean that Einstein
> thought himself too good to ever make a mistake or his theories too
> perfect to ever be revised.
[BJ]
I was not talking of Einstein. I feel that he was about 100 years
ahead of his time and in all reality forced advancement on the world by
making people attempt to disprove him. I feel that he was, and is and will
be a driving force behind all theoretical physics for a very long time to
come.
> So if you really mean that anyone who intimates infallibility is putting
> on a facade, then I would agree with that.
> [BJ]
This is indeed my presumption. I will target no one person or group
for such accusations publicly. Nor will I call them on it. What I strive
to do is two fold:
1. Increase my knowledge level through discourse.
2. Ask questions and, sometimes, make statements to force an open
discussion.
If I ask for proof it is because I do not understand the
problem...yet. If I paraphrase a statement to be just a hair off the mark I
am looking for an explanation that fits the picture. If I make a statement
such as the one about the "con" it is from personal experience that I am
talking. I will always try to give my personal opinion in all discussions
..... if you agree with me.. awesome I have learned something ... if not
.....why not .... I am still wanting to learn.
Bruce Jones
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