From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun 25 May 2003 - 18:12:58 GMT
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> From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
> Kenneth,
> > > Joe, I think Wade is trying to say that by writing a letter the
> > > idea of having a service to mail it is included_ the one can 't
> > > exclude the other. And yes, before a letter is mailed it is still
> > > a letter by definition but not by ' meaning ', it isn 't mailed !
> > > There is a tic and tac about this kind of stuff.
> Joe,
> > Of course one knows how to communicate (speak, write) when one
> > forms the intention to do so. But one DOES form the intention to
> > communicate, and more than that, to communicate specific
> > information; information that one cognitively holds before one
> > communicates it, as cognitive memes.
>
> Yes, but venue- effects can be prior to the actual intention to write
> ! The writing, the intention to communicate can be seen as just a
> second stage of an already evolving venue- scheme. The actual forming
> of the intention to communicate can be induced by the moments of
> activity of the venue.
>
> The venue cannot know what kind of people were to be around the
> fire when one is saying there is a bear in the berry patch, but the
> actual fact that some will hunt the beast and that others will stay
> put are already ' performed ' performances within that specific kind
> of venue. The people around the fire do not have to form anything_
> culture main- tains the controls of recognizable performances within
> itself.
>
> Fleeing is one, hunting is another and staying put is yet one other,
> but to culture is doesn 't matter who is running, hunting and who is
> staying indoors. When the moment was there one was saying there was a
> bear, all above performances were once more ' performed ', culture
> remains, the persistence of this performances was asured.
>
> There was no forming of intention to hunt, or to flee or to stay put_
> culture commands and demands that performances must be performed, if
> you go hunting, if I flee and if Wade will stay put, to culture it
> doesn 't matter. What happens internally to the three of us, are
> results of already socio- biological conditioning (a)effects.
>
Once again, I can communicate the date of my birthday to a common
language speaker on the equator or on either pole.
>
> Kenneth,
> > > What's the point of having a mail service if noone ever writes
> > > letters that were to be mailed !? Within the concept of writing a
> > > letter and having the intention to mail it, the idea of a mail
> > > service is part of the equation.
> Joe,
> > But one must have concept and intention, and those are internal
> > things.
>
> No, if you write a nasty letter to me and I reply, where is my
> intention !? You, the venue induced it upon me ! Before the fact of
> receiving your letter there was no concept, no intention. The only
> internal thing I have, so to speak, is the recognizability that you
> wrote a nasty letter to me and I can 't have that and I replied. The
> actual fact that you wrote a nasty letter in the first can have a 1000
> reasons or more, but carefully examined was it your intention !? Or
> was it induced by the recognizable- ability you have, in turn in-
> duced by cultural/ social etc venues !?
>
> It is the continuance of cultural/ social etc performances that induce
> venues to command/ demand for yet anew performances, the letters we
> write to eachother are such performances. Unless one cease to write,
> yet another venue, or venues don 't ask/ command/ demands that we
> write, the performances will stop or will survive.
>
> There is still a coca and a cola between the lines........
>
There is still the perception and the interpretation of the stimulus
preceding any responsive action, and these are internal, cognitive
things.
>
> Regards though,
>
> Kenneth
>
>
>
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