Re: Criticisms of Blackmore's approach

From: Bill Spight (bspight@pacbell.net)
Date: Mon Jun 12 2000 - 22:32:44 BST

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    From: Bill Spight <bspight@pacbell.net>
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    Dear Mark,

    Bill:
    > >OC, one may say the contrary. ;-) Behavior is the genotype. It is
    > >what is copied, after all. Neural elaboration and mental
    > >interpretation of the behavior are phenotype, differing from
    > >person to person.
    >

    Mark:
    > I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'neural
    > elaboration.' Maybe you
    > can define the term better for me.
    >

    Mere mimicry requires certain neuronal connections and responses.
    These are *always* elaborated on, and differ according to the
    person and circumstances.

    Mark:
    > I agree that mental interpretation is phenotypic. The Lynch meme is not an
    > interpretation, but the physical configuration of electric gates to current
    > flow on the synapses.

    That is why I used the term, "elaboration". :-) (But I am happy
    to use the term, "interpretation" in a non-mentalistic way, as
    well.)

    Mark:
    > In the case of the 'old saw', where do you place the genotype?

    In the phrase itself. Perhaps a better example comes from music.
    The score is genotype, the performance is phenotype. What about
    the idea of the composer? That died with him. (What is Beethoven
    doing now? Decomposing. ;-)) What about the neuronal connections
    and activations of the composer? Not replicated. What is
    replicated is the score.

    If you wish to make use of the genotype-phenotype distinction,
    the external meme clearly is more analogous to the genotype. We
    may consider a gene as a recipe for making a protein (more or
    less). Even in the body, different proteins have different
    effects depending on the physiological context. We talk about
    genes for this or that, but the relation between this or that and
    specific proteins is generally unknown, and complex. A musical
    score is a recipe for a piece of music. The relation between it
    and the musical performance is clearer than that between a gene
    for something and that something, but the performance depends on
    many factors besides the score.

    My own view is that the genotype-phenotype distinction is worth
    little in memetics. One reason is that it plausible to view any
    form of a meme as the genotype. :-)

    Best,

    Bill

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