From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun 18 May 2003 - 17:34:13 GMT
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> > Reasonable enough, but the internal gestalt is as essential as the
> > external gestalt for specifying the response to received memetic
> > info. Wade seems to be trying to dismiss or ignore it, going so far
> > as to say that there can be no memes in the mind; however, this is
> > where they go, between the perceptual stimulus of their reception
> > and the recipient's actional response. That middle, conversion
> > stage is precisely what both Wade and the behaviorists attempt to
> > excise; I must therefore conclude that his 'performative model' is
> > pseudomemetic cryptobehaviorism.
>
> Never acquited the possibility that the internal gestalt is as
> essential as the rest of the picture. Moreover, it seems to me that
> the response is due to that kind of stuff. The person who feels
> uptight or depressive will of course respond dif- ferently if one said
> there is a bear in the berry patch_ but anyway, their response is
> unique in effect and in origin. There can be no ' selfsame ' answer to
> any situation that created any accident.
>
> I understand why Wade is saying that there are no ' memes ' in the
> mind_ Wade maintains in his view that the memetic information is
> within the performance. I hope you see that too. What I think he is
> trying to sway us all in, is the logical, in his mind, position that
> our mind is just yet another stage, a specific no doubt, that works '
> outside ' the main frame of his performance- scheme. The mind is than
> just an apparatus cognitive in relation to the effects of any
> situation that created any accident.
>
> The mind, he is not denying its existence, is just yet another agency
> in the mix. It is more a gateway, an agent somehow ' outside ' the
> performance scheme but yet part of, and moreover right in the middle
> of our social and viable environment. Within itself the mind transmits
> and transforms but don 't ' hold ' any- thing_ in a way, when it
> should just do that, what it should hold was to be always ' old ',
> never getting refresched, but that is just what we experience all the
> time. Our mind is constantly moving the furniture around in our head,
> nothing is held in one place, messages interact with what is inside in
> our, always under construction, cognitive gestalt.
>
> I understand, if we hold such a view, memory becomes problematic, and
> I haven 't got a clue how we must define memory than, but for the
> moment it is still worthwile to explore what Wade has to say....
>
> Regards,
>
> Kenneth
>
Mind is active and alterational. Mutation and selection happen in there.
It's where hooks and filters reside. Replication occurs between, by
means of performance (including showing, telling, writing, etc.), but
selection and mutation happens predominately within, in the
accommodation to and assimilation with differing cognitive gestalts, and
all of these are necessary for the evolution of memes to occur. The
mind is much more than a conduit; behaviorism fell precisely because
its doctrine demanded that it dogmatically and erroneously assume that
a passive conduit between stimulus and response is all that the mind
was.
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