From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Fri 16 May 2003 - 17:11:41 GMT
>
> On Friday, May 16, 2003, at 09:55 AM, memetics-digest wrote:
>
> > Considering a meme to be the information itself, no matter what
> > media the information resides in, I think is the maximum truth for
> > the least effort.
>
> Actually finding the information, however, has so obviously been a
> real effort, and no-one has gotten there yet.
>
> Therefore, IMHO, the maximum truth for the least effort is the
> performance model of cultural evolution.
>
> Only the information that happens is important in this model.
>
> However, 'what happens' is also under contention, and many people here
> think 'things are happening' when someone sits and thinks about
> things, prior to action or apprehension.
>
> Granted, that individual is doing a lot of work. But none of it, until
> and unless he gets up and does something, will have any effect upon
> cultural evolution, or even the mutation of the venue within which
> such performance must take place.
>
> There are no units of cultural evolution in an individual mind.
> Nothing from one mind gets transferred to another. The observer can
> interpret, and that is the only physical choice he's got, and the only
> physical choice that a culture can use.
>
> So, okay, consider a meme to be the information itself, if you so
> mistakenly must.
>
> Show me this information such that a culture can be altered by it.
>
> Ah, but wait- you can't show me one damned thing until and unless you
> perform.
>
> Kinda sticks you up a gluey widget, don't it?
>
I also can't say or do anything specific without a specific cognitive plan
as to what I am going to say or do. And, as O laboriously explained
before, specific meaningfully ordered and patterned concatenations of
sign-referent associations ARE INDEED transferred via discourse and
text. Otherwise, there would be no reason for us to be sitting here
tapping these keys and reading our screens. DOH!
>
> - Wade
>
>
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