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From: Chuck <cpalson@mediaone.net>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: Jabbering !
Joe - I wonder if we can really say there is a hard and fast distinction.
Perhaps
> it would be better to have an instinctual/learned continuum.
<< Or perhaps a lamarckian/ Darwinian continuum !?
It is the sensibilité; the urge towards complexity; what I call Lamarckian
(re)actions (individuality/ action/ instinct) >< contra the DNA/ genes/
intel-
ligence/reason/ functionality, the learned stuff like conduct/ culture/
ethics/
political agreements/ social order/... which allows the organism to select
and to let it react.
Then the system is ordered, regulated, provided/ filled with defenitions/
stipulations/ conditions/ properties/... which in their turn provoke, each
in
their interest a Lamarckain (re)active which once again wants to corro-
bate itself into the Darwinian idea of selection and variation etc... until
there
originates a fractal Lamarckian/ Darwinian structure.
Regards,
Kenneth
(I am, because we are)
Or perhaps culture
> should only be defined as those aspects of behavior that are ammenable to
free
> variation. For example, given an identical environment and population
density,
> two isolated cultures can be counted on to be remarkably similar because
the
> human brain calculates pretty well the necessary behavior for inhabiting a
> particular environment. So in a sense, a good deal of the behaviors that
are in
> fact learned are preordained by the human brain that will do the identical
> calculations in identical environments. (hope that isn't too abstract - I
can
> give examples if needed)
>
> BUT, there is free variation on behaviors that have equally viable
optional
> strategies. Certain elements of a system of writing, for example, can be
quite
> variable without making a practical difference.
>
> Of course the boundaries and definitions would be dynamic as we learna
more about
> how the brain functions.
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