From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun 09 Mar 2003 - 19:37:31 GMT
> At 09:53 PM 9/03/03 +1100, Bruce wrote:
> Snip......................
> While I tend to agree with Joe on the humanitarian aspect of the Iraq
> situation, there are other issues implicit in the wording of Bryan's
> post which cause concern. The least not being the concept of "memetic
> engineering", which I think is an oxymoron. Even the opposing forces
> within the memetics definition debate agree that a meme is a cultural
> unit.
> Is not culture the conglomerate of inherited ideas, beliefs, values
> and
> knowledge? Have not all attempts to overtly "engineer" culture
> failed?
>
>
> Jeremy's reply:
> I don't think so Bruce, hasn't Hollywood been active in the production
> of memes which reach out across the globe? Is this not memetic
> engineering? When I was living with an Indigenous Australian group
> which had not had a lot of outside contact, the change in children's
> behaviour was observable when they got a VCR and started watching
> USAnian crap. For me, memetic engineering is akin to propaganda, but
> it operates at a more subtle level. If we look at the Nazi regime's
> manipulation of art and theatre, we can see this effect, and, dare I
> say, it is observable in poor Joe's foaming at the mouth replies to
> any critique of his beloved USAnia's war on Islam. Making war to
> create peace is an oxymoron and can never work.
>
A knee-jerk dogmatic and untrue statement. It worked in Japan,
Germany, Bosnia, Kosovo, East Timor, is working in Afghanistan and
will work in Iraq. And yes, I love my country, because it provides me
with the freedoms that it does, freedoms that are almost entirely absent
in totalitarian theocracies. But it is not a US war against Islam, but
rather against a violent and virulent convert, submit or die mutation of
the faith, a mutation which is embraced by only about a tenth of
Muslims.
>
> War, especially such a
> one sided war, will perpetuate violence and only profit arms dealers.
>
It'll profit millions of iraqis who will be liberated from the iron deathgrip
of a fascist despot.
>
> Sorry to be lurking for so long all. And Joe, don't worry, I am far
> too busy to reply too much at the moment as I am running an election
> campaign. But, to quote a great USanian memetic construct, I'll be
> back. Jeremy the do-gooder
>
Do good for whom? Certainly not for the Iraqi people.
>
> Jeremy Bradley - The Greens' Candidate in Oxley
> 3200 Oxley Hwy Wauchope 2446
> Phone:02 65856652 or 02 65856134
> Mobile: 0428 856134
> E-mail: jeremyb@nor.com.au
>
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