Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id DAA16529 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 03:35:07 +0100 Message-ID: <39382818.298EAE3F@mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 22:33:13 +0100 From: Chuck <cpalson@mediaone.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: What is it good for? References: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D310174589D@inchna.stir.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Vincent Campbell wrote:
> I thought the point was that memetics, at least in part, aims to investigate
> the processes by which information passes in non-genetic systems, such as
> e-mail. As we've agreed before, such forms of communication are new and
> different from interpersonal communication, and may thus have quite profound
> effects on how cultures develop.
>
> After all, you clearly are totally anti-thetical to memetics, so what's the
> utility of you sending all these messages to this e-mail group?
Because this group is interested in explaining human behavior.
>
>
> You don't seem to be persuading anybody of your position,
How do you know that? You yourself confess that you don't how to assess the
effect of the media on people, so why do you think you got this one right?
> and you don't seem
> persuaded by those supportive of the concept, so why continue to do it?
>
> Incidentally, I'd appreciate some references to your work, so I can go away
> and get a fuller sense of your methods of analysis. Do you have any books
> in print at the moment, I couldn't see any on Amazon.com?
In process.
>
>
> Vincent
>
> > ----------
> > From: Chuck
> > Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2000 12:22 pm
> > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > Subject: Re: What is it good for?
> >
> >
> >
> > Robin Faichney wrote:
> >
> > > As often happens, I thought of a neat answer to something I saw here,
> > > long after deleting the message and shutting down the machine.
> > >
> > > Anyway, for the doubters among us, memetics explains the spread of
> > > patterns of behaviour through a population without invoking the
> > > subjective spectre of the mind, without involving either consciousness
> > > or free will.
> >
> > And of course. That's the point of memetics - and why it is so
> > unconvincing. I suppose you could imagine that we communicate with each
> > other on this listserv in a coma. I must say that sometimes I sense that
> > your answers, while not indicating comma, are at least trance-like.
> >
> > > But don't worry, it doesn't compromise your freedom,
> >
> > I don't worry about such things.
> >
> >
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> > This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
> > Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
> > For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)
> > see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit
> >
>
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> This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
> Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
> For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)
> see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit
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