Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id KAA27587 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:03:25 +0100 Message-ID: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D31017458A6@inchna.stir.ac.uk> From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk> To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: What is it good for? Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:01:23 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> You don't seem to be persuading anybody of your position,
>
> How do you know that? You yourself confess that you don't how to assess
> the
> effect of the media on people, so why do you think you got this one right?
>
Touche.
I'd make a distinction, to some extent between media that allow for
interaction, like e-mail, and those that allow little or none (TV, the
press, films etc.). One of the interesting things is that very few media
researchers study things like e-mail, or telephone use as media that have
effects. With convergence the gap between media studies and
telecommunications work is going to have to close.
I haven't seen anybody going 'My god you're right, this memetics stuff is
rubbish and a total waste of time!'
Any of your references in the interest of furthering knowledge?
Vincent
> ----------
> From: Chuck
> Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Sent: Friday, June 2, 2000 10:33 pm
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: What is it good for?
>
>
>
> Vincent Campbell wrote:
>
> > I thought the point was that memetics, at least in part, aims to
> investigate
> > the processes by which information passes in non-genetic systems, such
> as
> > e-mail. As we've agreed before, such forms of communication are new and
> > different from interpersonal communication, and may thus have quite
> profound
> > effects on how cultures develop.
> >
> > After all, you clearly are totally anti-thetical to memetics, so what's
> the
> > utility of you sending all these messages to this e-mail group?
>
> Because this group is interested in explaining human behavior.
>
> >
> >
> > You don't seem to be persuading anybody of your position,
>
> How do you know that? You yourself confess that you don't how to assess
> the
> effect of the media on people, so why do you think you got this one right?
>
> > and you don't seem
> > persuaded by those supportive of the concept, so why continue to do it?
> >
> > Incidentally, I'd appreciate some references to your work, so I can go
> away
> > and get a fuller sense of your methods of analysis. Do you have any
> books
> > in print at the moment, I couldn't see any on Amazon.com?
>
> In process.
>
> >
> >
> > Vincent
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From: Chuck
> > > Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2000 12:22 pm
> > > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > > Subject: Re: What is it good for?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Robin Faichney wrote:
> > >
> > > > As often happens, I thought of a neat answer to something I saw
> here,
> > > > long after deleting the message and shutting down the machine.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, for the doubters among us, memetics explains the spread of
> > > > patterns of behaviour through a population without invoking the
> > > > subjective spectre of the mind, without involving either
> consciousness
> > > > or free will.
> > >
> > > And of course. That's the point of memetics - and why it is so
> > > unconvincing. I suppose you could imagine that we communicate with
> each
> > > other on this listserv in a coma. I must say that sometimes I sense
> that
> > > your answers, while not indicating comma, are at least trance-like.
> > >
> > > > But don't worry, it doesn't compromise your freedom,
> > >
> > > I don't worry about such things.
> > >
> > >
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> > > This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
> > > Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
> > > For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)
> > > see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit
> > >
> >
> > ===============================================================
> > This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
> > Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
> > For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)
> > see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit
>
>
> ===============================================================
> This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
> Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
> For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)
> see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit
>
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