From: Jon Gilbert (jjj@io.com)
Date: Tue 26 Nov 2002 - 21:14:01 GMT
Van oost Kenneth writes:
>From that moment on, the whole set of what is the worlds reality made
>room from only one memeset, that of America. Oh, but that process
>is since a long time underway, though, from the moment on the US was
>founded, Americans made for themselves clear that upon their religious
>bias of creatonism they will make the world a better place.
>And that notion works thru' everything you do, you want still to
>create, the US wants to create a world according to its own old
>fashion religious views and the US can't stand that other peoples
>are not that keen on that prospect.
...
>God Bless America is one of the US its
>religious tokens. The US have made God subordinate to the
>American constitution_ America's belief in its own destiny
>is written within its own constitution, there is no seperation
>of religion and politics like in any other lay- nation in Europe,
>you simply have given god a legal place in your mids.
>Read the Koran and you will find that for Gods sake, America
>is Mohammed own little paradise, everything what Islam stands
>for can be found in America.... Ironic isn 't it that Americans
>submit themselves to their constitution and in the same token
>you fight a religion that has the same principle underneath !
>The country itself was based by refugees who were prosecuted
>and repressed by the ignorants of Europe.
...
>The real difference and thus why, IMO Europe is so contrary
>is that Americans submit themselves to the constitution which
>is in my view totally religious biased, where in Europe the re-
>ligious (f)actors were slowly removed and replaced by a more
>open memeset.
>The US still think that history is there to be made, and that is a
>very dangerous evolution_ but that is also the only way along
>which the US can develop if its hold on to its constitution....
>If America continues it will not only loose itself but also Europe
>will opposite in the end. Don 't loose the only friend you have....
I think it is obvious that Kenneth here has never actually lived in
the United States. If he had, then he would have realized that there
is no "one memeset of America" as he puts it. The U.S. is as plural
as any nation can possibly be, with regards to the number of
different religions, ethnicities, and memes that are present here.
Ride the city bus in Los Angeles or the subway in New York.
I'm an American; I think our foreign policy is fucked up, and we
should not be trying to inflict "democracy" ("corporatocracy" is
really a better word for it) on the peoples of the earth. What we
have is nothing like democracy as originally in ancient Greece, for
instance. Not that their slave-based, misogynistic culture was much
of a democracy. But that's besides the point.
The point is, the President who is currently in power was NOT elected
by popular vote. He is only in office because of what was essentially
a coup. Bush received less than half of the popular vote and, as you
may know, is only in power due to a very dubious vote in Florida. The
only reason that this vote elected him was because of a very
un-democratic system known as the "electoral college" in which a
bunch of people vote for you in such a way that they do not represent
your actual votes, but rather, only represent the voting majority
from any particular state.
For instance, half of Florida's voters voted for Gore, yet 100% of
Florida's electoral college members voted for Bush. Obviously,
something is severely FUCKED UP about that.
And so, it is no surprise that the American government does not
reflect the will of the American people, who are, for the most part,
sympathetic with your criticisms of our false government -- in so far
as they actually know anything, due to the fact that the media
presents an overly-flattering and uncritical picture of America to
us. I mean, after 9/11 especially, people grouped together in a
patriotic fit of flag-waving that is very common in any nation that
gets attacked. And of course, the media loves war, because then
everybody watches the news and the newsmen have something to actually
talk about instead of OJ Simpson or some rich girl that got kidnapped
or Elian Gonzales or whatever other bullshit they think is so
important. Unfortunately, the false government is using this
new-found support to cause all kinds of wars and governmental changes
that would never normally have happened. It's like they have free
advertising and a free license to do heinous crap.
As much as I agree with Joe that there are certain belief systems in
the world, such as Islamic fundamentalism, that are ignorant and
breed violence, I think that we ought to turn around and say, how is
that any worse from the hundreds of thousands of people who die in
car accidents? Who die from gang violence? Who die from lung cancer
from cigarettes?
Why don't we have a war to save the rain forests, instead of a war on
terrorism? If there was a single alien microbe on Mars, then the
government would spend billions of dollars to go fetch it with all
kinds of crazy missions. If we discovered the presence of life
anywhere on the moon, even if it was just an amoeba, it would be the
greatest discovery of all time. Yet we allow species to be utterly
wiped out, every day, in the rain forests as they are plowed and
burnt to the ground.
Or how about a war against global warming? I mean, no one is going to
care about the World Trade Center getting blown up when NYC is 10
feet under water and there is nowhere to go skiing anymore except
Antarctica.
Islamic terrorism is just an excuse for militaristic, false leaders
like Bush to justify creating things like the Dept. of Homeland
Security, and to start new wars, so that they and their friends can
feel important and get lots of money. It has nothing to do with the
will of America or our constitution or what democracy is all about.
Do you think Bush gives a fuck what happens anywhere outside of a
six-foot radius around his person, and what happens in the next
election? He's just an automaton.
Lastly I shall conclude by saying that all of this is just what has
been happening throughout history. "Carthage delenda est," remember?
Or the Salem witch hunts? Or the Nazis?
All you can do is wake up and separate yourself from the nonsense. If
each person realizes that it is our individual choice not to pick up
a gun and kill someone, that religions and newspapers don't mean
shit, then maybe we can have some peace. That's why I respect the
Refusenik movement, that's why I respect MLK and the civil rights
movement of the sixties with peaceful demonstrations. The only one
that you can change is yourself, but by doing so, then you send a
ripple out across the surface of the memepool.
JS Gilbert
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