From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Fri 22 Nov 2002 - 05:16:21 GMT
> Nope, you have it wrong, Joe. The truth is that you scrape the bottom
> of the barrel for the bottom feeders like "Ibn Warraq" and Daniel
> Pipes, and you try and foist them on us as if they were legitimate
> observers and analysts, instead of taking responsibility for yourself
> for uttering their bigotries.
>
Where is the bigotry in their writings? I CHALLENGE AND DARE you
to produce it. Hysterical claims of bigotry are the last refuge of those
who cannot reason an issue out on its merits.
>
>When challenged on "Ibn Warraq" you
> state he would be in danger if his 'true' identity were known, thereby
> showing that you have fallen for "Ibn Warraq" hook, line and sinker.
>
If you had deigned to read his book, you would know without a doubt (if
you were the least bit sane and unbiased yourself) that the claim was
eminently reasonable.
>
> Think about it: if you don't know who he is, how can you assert what
> would happen to him if his identity were known? It is only your blind
> anti-Semitic bigotry that keeps you from acknowledging this.
>
I have been called many things, but an anti-Semite is not one of them.
We know what would happen because we have SEEN what happened
to authors as diverse as Salman Rushdie and Taslima Nasrin, among
many others, for daring to question the received faith of the radical
Muslim fundies.
>
> In the
> days of the US civil rights movement, bigots were called 'red necks'
> and 'crackers' -- your venom is now simply directed against Muslims
> and Arabs.
>
No, the murderous igotry of the radical fundies in that religion is
directed against anyone and everyone who is not a clone of
themselves. For you to call me a bigot simply because I acknowledge
that truth to which they themselves voluminously testify demonstrates
conclusively your lack of discernment, objectivity and character.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On
> Behalf Of joedees@bellsouth.net Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002
> 11:36 PM To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk; fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Subject: RE:
> Islam and Europe
>
> > No, you should post his true identity, Joe. And then when you quote
> > him, you should have the integrity to reveal that you don't have the
> > slightest idea who "ibn Warraq" really is, so trotting him out as a
> > Muslim spokesperson is intrinsically dishonest.
> >
> No, I don't know who he is, because if I did, so would the Radical
> Muslim faithful, and he would be fatwa'ed and in danger of
> assassination just like Salman Rushdie.
>
>
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