Re: Islam and Europe

From: Grant Callaghan (grantc4@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri 22 Nov 2002 - 04:32:57 GMT

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    > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >The TRUTH of today's world is a different meme than the TRUTH
    > > > > >that comes to us through religion. Only one of them prepares us
    > > > > >to face the world of the 21st century, and it's not religious
    > > > > >TRUTH.
    > > > > >
    > > > > >Grant
    > > > >
    > > > > Your notion of what "religious TRUTH" is, is itself a meme.
    > > > >
    > > >Truth is that statement which "faithfully" represents that personal,
    > > >social, historical or empirical state or process of affairs to which
    > > >it purports to refer. Thus statements that do not congruently
    > > >correspond to their objects are untrue. A good indicator of this
    > > >condition is when the statement in question is contradicted by
    > > >contiguous truths rather than seamlessly cohere with them. An
    > > >indicator that the statement is neither true nor false, but is
    > > >instead meaningless, is a logical flaw, such as internal
    > > >self-contradiction.
    > > > >
    > > > > I would argue, from my memetic constructs, that true religion is
    > > > > the ability to find the truth for yourself with the aid of
    > > > > religious texts, which contain the clues left behind by those who
    > > > > have travelled the path. But if you lack the fundamental question
    > > > > that illuminates the esoteric meaning in religious texts and
    > > > > renders them "alive," then you are interfacing with those texts on
    > > > > an exoteric level that sees them in terms of logic and analysis,
    > > > > comparison and evaluation. Fundamental human experience is the
    > > > > same now as before; that is not to venerate the past, but it is
    > > > > also not to discount the value of wisdom. Life is what you make
    > > > > it, and so are religious texts. When you approach something to
    > > > > discover the truth hidden in it, the contradictions that are
    > > > > revealed are in yourself, not in the text. Then you smile at your
    > > > > own imperfection.
    > > > >
    > > >And at blatant empirical errors inscribed in a less knowledgeable
    > > >time, yet still venerated as Holy Gospel Writ by the True Believer
    > > >who refuses to allow facts or logic to intervene.
    > > > >
    > > > > Language itself -- religious texts themselves -- do not contain
    > > > > memes. Memes are formed by your interpretation of the text, i.e.
    > > > > the integration of that text into your existing belief-space,
    > > > > related to your existing memetic constructs. Dreams can introduce
    > > > > memes to you; from where do they originate?
    > > > >
    > > >From prior experience. But memes are formed by the encounter of the
    > > >message with the apprehender; in the absence of either, they cannot
    > > >inhere.
    > > > >
    > > > > JS Gilbert
    > > > >
    > > > > "ekei eimi en meswi autwn"
    > > > >
    > > I see memes as concepts we contribute to the body of culture we share
    > > with other members of that culture. The meme is what we share, not
    > > what exists only within our minds. What we call truth is formed on
    > > the anvil of exchanging ideas and opinions. Each of us has a map of
    > > the world in our minds but the map we share is usually considered more
    > > true by society than our personal map. That's because our view of the
    > > world is restricted to a single pair of eyes. Our culture provides a
    > > view through many eyes. It gives us a chance to compare what we see
    > > with what others see and to come to a consensus about what the things
    > > we see should be called. IMHO.
    > >
    >In Existential Phenomenology, this is known as the fact that 'objectivity'
    >is actually intersubjectivity.
    > >
    > > Grant
    > >

    I'm glad to know Existential socity has a name for it. I'll try to remember it long enough to use it in my discourse. ;)

    Grant

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