From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu 14 Nov 2002 - 18:50:51 GMT
> As the moderator has alrady pointed out, this forum is not the space
> for this kind of stuff Joe.
>
> Can I suggest that list-members who want to continue with such
> political debates do so on an inter-personal level?
>
> I'm not excluding myself from this, BTW, I'm not afraid of political
> debate and feel that some on the list, Joe quite clearly, need to be
> more informed about, and understand viewpoints from other parts of the
> world, not just the USA (if, in the highly unlikely circumstance Tony
> Blair is a list-lurker, I think you should take note of this too!).
>
> It's just that recently the sheer volume of traffic has been beyond my
> ability to keep up with (and hold down my job), and I find the list so
> useful, entertaining and challenging that genuinely unnecessary, or
> tenuous threads get on my nerves when I'm trying to find something
> actually about memes. That doesn't exclude politics entirely of
> course.
>
> Vincent
>
And I, of course, think it is YOU who needs to become more informed
on the issue, but we agree - this forum is not the place for it.
> > ----------
> > From: joedees@bellsouth.net
> > Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:57 AM
> > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > Subject: One man's opinion
> >
> > John Hawkins: Why do you think there is such a profound
> > difference between the American and European view of the
> > conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians?
> >
> > Victor Davis Hanson: There are a variety of reasons that can
> > properly be debated about their relative roles. But we can agree on
> > the general picture -- fear and appeasement of terrorists, rising
> > Muslim populations (largely unassimilated) in France, Germany, and
> > Scandinavia, inherent anti-Semitism, identification of Israel with
> > the US as an overdog, proud power, guilt over past colonialism,
> > financial interests in the Arab world, along with concerns for oil
> > supplies, and generally the largely backdrop of easy and cheap ways
> > of opposing the United States in ways that cost nothing but
> > alleviate European concerns about stature, pride, and their own
> > diminished role in the world. That is not to say there are not
> > legitimate issues; it just explains why the Europeans would allow a
> > quarter-million Muslims to be butchered under their noses in the
> > Balkans when they had the power to stop it, and yet fret impotently
> > over Palestinians far away. The end of the Soviet threat and the
> > rise of the EU are creating a new tension in the West, and it will
> > only quicken and manifest itself in ways well beyond disputes over
> > the Middle East.
> >
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