RE: The ISIS site

From: Lawrence DeBivort (debivort@umd5.umd.edu)
Date: Sun 10 Nov 2002 - 21:19:43 GMT

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    Well, I dare say that you have another Daniel Pipes in mind than the one I do, and with whose writings I am quite familiar. Is 'pro-Zionism' anti-semitic? Some advocates of Israel assert so, but I disagree. One can be critical of Zionism without being critical of Judaism, wouldn't you agree?

    I don't know if you are aware that Ibn Warraq is an alias. Do you know who the author really is? I would like to know, before blindly accepting the credentials with which he has clothed himself. Would it not be prudent to know, before taking his arguments on faith?

    Cheers, Lawry

    -----Original Message----- From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf Of joedees@bellsouth.net Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 4:00 PM To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: RE: The ISIS site

    > A site, interestingly, not above quoting from that notorious
    > anti-Islamic, pro-Zionist writer, Daniel Pipes!
    >
    Daniel Pipes is not anti-Islamic; he IS anti-Radical Militant Islam, as anyone with a modicum of sense, even other Islamics, logically should be.
    >
    > It makes me wonder who the real owner of the site is....
    >
    Disaffected Muslim secularists, in association with the Council for Secular Humanism, publisher of Free Inquiry magazine (or are you planting an antisemitic or anti-Israel insinuendo? Well, it ain't true.). Ibn Warraq, author of the critically acclaimed WHY I AM NOT A MUSLIM (the title being an homage to Bertrand Russell's WHY I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN), as well as many other academic studies of Islam and its historical roots, is one of the prime forces behind it.
    >
    > But to the point of secularism within Islam - yup, it is a live and
    > vibrant movement within the Muslim world, and it parallels similar
    > secularist movements in other areas of the world. Again, Karen
    > Armstrong's book BATTLE FOR GOD, is excellent on the flip side,
    > fundamentalism.
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Lawry
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On
    > Behalf Of joedees@bellsouth.net Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 3:08
    > PM To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: The ISIS site
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    > The best way to investigate the site is to peruse the site map at:
    > http://www.secularislam.org/sitemap.htm
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