From: Lawrence DeBivort (debivort@umd5.umd.edu)
Date: Tue 05 Nov 2002 - 00:32:01 GMT
Scott, if I could fine-tune and probe your statements a bit...
Scott:
: The Israeli extremists want to integrate Judea and Samaria into Greater
Israel, perhaps including "transfer" of Palestinans to Jordan or elsewhere.
The Palestinian extremists want to destroy Israel. It looks like a clash of
polar opposing mindsets. Who wants to choose sides between these groups?
Lawry: Palestinian extremists do not want to destroy Israel, per se. They
want their lands back - all of it. In effect, this does mean that the status
of Israel is challenged, but the distinction that I draw is not one without
significance: for instance, one can envisage political solutions that do
involve the Palestinians being able to get their lands back AND the
continuance of Israel in Palestine. Not that I think the time is ready for
such a compromise solution. I think could find Palestinian extremist
acceptance of such a solution, but of course it would be, understandably,
far less acceptable to the Israelis.
SNIP
Scott: It's a shame that the most recent bout of the intifada has become
more
virulent than the one of the late 80's and has apparently contributed to the
peace process going off the rails. Israel intransigence has likewise
contributed.
Lawry: The peace process was off the rails well before the second intifada
started. The peace process was off the rails within a week of the end of the
Taba negotiations, when the Likud was elected to head the new Israeli
government.
SNIP
Scott: a lot of should'ves that emerge from that conflict. The original
Zionists shouldv'e appreciate the extent of the native Arab population of
Palestine. The Palestinians and their Arab cohorts should've accepted the
terms of UN resoluion 181 that partitioned Palestine and the existence of
Israel as a state.
Lawry: Why should the Palestinians have accepted the partition of their
land? If the UN General Assembly passed a resolution saying that the east
and west coasts of the US (the wealthiest areas of the country) should be
given to some foreign group with which to form their own state, would you
urge Americans to accept it?
Cheers,
_________________________________________________________________
Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband.
http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
===============================================================
This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)
see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit
===============================================================
This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)
see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.5 : Tue 05 Nov 2002 - 00:27:55 GMT