From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Mon 04 Nov 2002 - 20:31:26 GMT
>
> >My definition of memes requires the ability to consciously choose to
> >or not to either receive or transmit at least some of them, on the
> >basis of their meaning.
> Sorry Joe, that's the same as saying you consciously choose the
> culture you live in. Even using lateral thinking techniques and
> assuming one is able to separate oneself sufficiently to view the
> process objectively, I doubt you could achieve this level of choice.
> That does not mean that you "get" every meme that comes along, you
> will have developed immunities to lots of them.
>
No, I said *some* of them; I do believe that we in part do consciously
mold our cultures, or at least choose our subcultures, and in part we
don't.
>
> Regards,
> Bruce Howlett
>
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> From: joedees@bellsouth.net
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> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 2:55 PM
> Subject: Re: electric meme bombs
>
> > > >
> > >These cues are innate and generally the same or extremely similar
> > >for conspecifics within a species, whereas human communication is
> > >arbitrary and by mutual convention, and unlike genetically
> > >hardwired behavior, must be created, learned and taught.
> > > >
> >
> > I never said they had culture. Merely that they communicate and that
> > what they communicate influences the behavior of the other members
> > of the species. If your definition of a meme requires human
> > behavior, then of course other species won't be able to meet the
> > test. But will your definition meet the test of acceptance by the
> > majority of your peers?
> >
> My definition of memes requires the ability to consciously choose to
> or not to either receive or transmit at least some of them, on the
> basis of their meaning. > > Grant > > >
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