From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun 03 Nov 2002 - 22:09:48 GMT
> > > On Sunday, November 3, 2002, at 03:36 , joedees@bellsouth.net
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > That is not action; it is appearance/configuration/somatic
> > > > structure. You illegitimately conflate genetic mimicry and
> > > > memetic imitation.
> > >
> > > Ah, that is what I think those who claim birdsong is a meme do.
> > >
> > > Where do you stand on the birdsong/meme thingee?
> > >
> >I see birdsong as genetically determined, with minor variants
> >introduced by interaction with differing environments.
> > >
> > > - Wade
> > >
> Does that include ravens that learn to imitate human speech sounds?
> There are birds that learn to imitate the birdsongs of other birds. I
> don't see how that could be genetically determined.
>
In such cases, they are indeed imitating sounds, and are genetically
wired to be able to do so; what they are not doing is grasping
meanings.
>
> Grant
>
>
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