Re: There is never pure perception or pure action

From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun 03 Nov 2002 - 20:29:04 GMT

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    > On Sunday, November 3, 2002, at 02:42 , joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
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    > >> Your definition of performance is inadequate.
    > >>
    > > Show me a spaceless externality.
    >
    > Show me the actual _space_ your version of performance's externality
    > is- as far as I can see it is a partial vacuum, without observer. (The
    > actual space of a performance is the total timespace of the performer,
    > the setting, and the observers.) Your example of the song was just
    > such- you claimed to have performed something culturally without an
    > observer. Bogus. What you did was supply the artifact of your words.
    > The space of your artifact is this email forum, the intended observers
    > the listserv members. As I indicated, artifacts are special cases of
    > performances. But somehow, you expected our imaginations to provide
    > the tune, I guess. It's not that I'm unimaginative, and I _didn't_
    > supply the (probably intended) tune for your artifact (the special
    > case of the artifact itself asks us to supply the tune, as it is a
    > generally common one), but, at no time did I totally assume this tune
    > was the actual one you sang, and I have no empirical proof that it
    > was.
    >
    > Thus the 'space' you performed this claimed song of yours was
    > incomplete, and, in many ways, I see you transporting this same
    > incomplete space to your model.
    >
    > - Wade
    >
    Sorry Wade, but spatiotemporality inevitable entails extension. You wanna see the space where I sing? Fly over here to my setting. I wanna see you peme? I'd haveta fly over there. I have no doubt that you perform actions, for I see their artifacts on the screen (as you see mine), and likewise I have no doubt that you internally formulate same
    (just as I do), for otherwise, your artifacts would either be absent or random. PS: Since I (and supposedly you) possess self-conscious awareness, don't we both engage in self-observation?
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