From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Fri 01 Nov 2002 - 20:49:10 GMT
> >
> > On Friday, November 1, 2002, at 11:43 , Grant Callaghan wrote:
> >
> > > When I pass a meme to the meme pool, I usually visualize the idea
> > > and then try to find the right words to create a similar picture
> > > in the minds of the people I'm sending it to.
> >
> > Try, yes. Attempt, yes. Finding the right words, placing the right
> > feet in the right place, the fingers in the correct alignment, all
> > attempts.
> >
> > There is no direct connection between the action and the mind. Joe
> > can giveThere is a plethora of sensations and activities between the
> > cup and the lip, regardless of how badly you want to drink.
> >
> > 'Passing the meme', to the pemetic model, and to me, personally, is
> > a meaningless statement.
> >
> > Attempting to perform it, yes.
> >
> > If you do it well, I can attempt to perform it again, using my own
> > skill set. If our skill sets are matched, it could well be
> > undistinguishable from your performance, with the one difference
> > being that someone else did it.
> >
> > With pemetic (yeah, I bellied over and flipped that letter)
> > performances of simple actions with unsophisticated skill sets, the
> > chances of indistinguishability are very large. Speech is such a
> > thing in performance, or folk dances, or childhood songs, (although,
> > as we know, memory has problems with sounds...), and they can easily
> > be archived as printed artifacts called words, so that anyone with
> > the skill set of reading can perform them in separation from the
> > actual memory of them. This is a simple explanation of how cultures
> > continue through artifacts, although there are many other
> > continuation forces at work and a compounding of them over time.
> >
> > But, this model really does insist that each performance is unique,
> > and that there is no meme (although there is memory, even, yes,
> > Joe's meme-ory, aka the self) in the mind. Certainly nothing getting
> > 'passed'. And, while I do object to the scatological connotations to
> > that word, I have other, more dire, objections to the concept of the
> > memeinthemind model.
> >
> Pemes would necessarily have to be tokens of meme types.
> >
To phrase it in Chomskyan terms, there is a distinction between
language performance and language competence. Language
performance is found in each instance of verbal discourse, and can only
reflect a part of the whole, which is the individual's language
competence, i. e. the internally stored knowledge of vocabulary,
definitions, semantics and syntax which comprise the individual's
command of the language/symbol system, and upon which the
individual draws to engage in each language performance.
>
> > - Wade
> >
> >
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