From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Fri 01 Nov 2002 - 20:39:22 GMT
>
> On Friday, November 1, 2002, at 11:43 , Grant Callaghan wrote:
>
> > When I pass a meme to the meme pool, I usually visualize the idea
> > and then try to find the right words to create a similar picture in
> > the minds of the people I'm sending it to.
>
> Try, yes. Attempt, yes. Finding the right words, placing the right
> feet in the right place, the fingers in the correct alignment, all
> attempts.
>
> There is no direct connection between the action and the mind. Joe can
> giveThere is a plethora of sensations and activities between the cup
> and the lip, regardless of how badly you want to drink.
>
> 'Passing the meme', to the pemetic model, and to me, personally, is a
> meaningless statement.
>
> Attempting to perform it, yes.
>
> If you do it well, I can attempt to perform it again, using my own
> skill set. If our skill sets are matched, it could well be
> undistinguishable from your performance, with the one difference being
> that someone else did it.
>
> With pemetic (yeah, I bellied over and flipped that letter)
> performances of simple actions with unsophisticated skill sets, the
> chances of indistinguishability are very large. Speech is such a thing
> in performance, or folk dances, or childhood songs, (although, as we
> know, memory has problems with sounds...), and they can easily be
> archived as printed artifacts called words, so that anyone with the
> skill set of reading can perform them in separation from the actual
> memory of them. This is a simple explanation of how cultures continue
> through artifacts, although there are many other continuation forces
> at work and a compounding of them over time.
>
> But, this model really does insist that each performance is unique,
> and that there is no meme (although there is memory, even, yes, Joe's
> meme-ory, aka the self) in the mind. Certainly nothing getting
> 'passed'. And, while I do object to the scatological connotations to
> that word, I have other, more dire, objections to the concept of the
> memeinthemind model.
>
Pemes would necessarily have to be tokens of meme types.
>
> - Wade
>
>
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