Re: I know one when I see one

From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Fri 01 Nov 2002 - 20:39:22 GMT

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    > On Friday, November 1, 2002, at 11:43 , Grant Callaghan wrote:
    >
    > > When I pass a meme to the meme pool, I usually visualize the idea
    > > and then try to find the right words to create a similar picture in
    > > the minds of the people I'm sending it to.
    >
    > Try, yes. Attempt, yes. Finding the right words, placing the right
    > feet in the right place, the fingers in the correct alignment, all
    > attempts.
    >
    > There is no direct connection between the action and the mind. Joe can
    > giveThere is a plethora of sensations and activities between the cup
    > and the lip, regardless of how badly you want to drink.
    >
    > 'Passing the meme', to the pemetic model, and to me, personally, is a
    > meaningless statement.
    >
    > Attempting to perform it, yes.
    >
    > If you do it well, I can attempt to perform it again, using my own
    > skill set. If our skill sets are matched, it could well be
    > undistinguishable from your performance, with the one difference being
    > that someone else did it.
    >
    > With pemetic (yeah, I bellied over and flipped that letter)
    > performances of simple actions with unsophisticated skill sets, the
    > chances of indistinguishability are very large. Speech is such a thing
    > in performance, or folk dances, or childhood songs, (although, as we
    > know, memory has problems with sounds...), and they can easily be
    > archived as printed artifacts called words, so that anyone with the
    > skill set of reading can perform them in separation from the actual
    > memory of them. This is a simple explanation of how cultures continue
    > through artifacts, although there are many other continuation forces
    > at work and a compounding of them over time.
    >
    > But, this model really does insist that each performance is unique,
    > and that there is no meme (although there is memory, even, yes, Joe's
    > meme-ory, aka the self) in the mind. Certainly nothing getting
    > 'passed'. And, while I do object to the scatological connotations to
    > that word, I have other, more dire, objections to the concept of the
    > memeinthemind model.
    >
    Pemes would necessarily have to be tokens of meme types.
    >
    > - Wade
    >
    >
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